Czechoslovakia gets a Second Amendment

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The Charter will now contain a provision stating that “the right to defend one’s life or the life of another person, even with a weapon, is guaranteed under the conditions laid down by law”.
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Notice that this is quite different from the U.S. 2nd Amendment. To wit: (a) it focuses on an individual, transactional right, not a foundational social right, (b) no mention of a militia, (c) the "weapon" (undefined) is an afterthought, and (d) most importantly, the whole thing can be negated by "the conditions laid down by law.” This reminds me of "rights" listed in the old Soviet constitution. Window dressing, and nothing more.
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Just note - Czechia is part of Czech Republice, its historical name for certain land, same as england is part of great Britain

Also we actually got a lot more than just that part in constitution. No doubt, that its great change (we really dont change constitution that much), but its ineed right to defend yourself or others with weapon, no exactly right to own weapon. Yet, its little bit diffrent over here and we see it diffrently than in US - its hard to translate. Anyway, we got all package of additional safety meassures against EU restrictions. It would by quite complicate to explain, so lets just say that EU restriction of civilian gun ownership cant be applied in countries, where is civilian gun ownership somehow part of national security ... which now applies for Czech Republic too.

Even that most "internet active" gun owners dont see it that way, we cant really complaint about some restrictions... in past few yers we even got some restriction removed, there was requirment to every gun owner have gun safe regardless of number of guns. Now we have to have gun safe just for three and more guns (and honestly, i dont see it like a wise change). At beginning of year 2021 we got gun law novelization, mostly as reaction to EU restriction and got new gun cathegory, "restriction" (just paperwork, really) for rifle mags with capacity over 10 and pistol mags with capacity over 20 and silencer, nighvisions + ammo with "increased wounding capacity (HP and so) are now avalaible for civilians (you needed special permit before).
As part of "gun owners are part of national security" we now have (well, will have, its just in planning phase) special training program - mostly traditional gun courses, which are now certificated by state and on some level of certification you can get governmental support like some ammo or ability to use some army or polic shooting ranges. Mainly, every participan of this voluntary programs gets additional "legal reasson/right" to own gun

Also, not jumping in politics, its really easy to say "EU is evil", but truth is we need it - Russia is kinda aggressive (and nobody even remebers names of that countries what they actually swallowed just few years back. Without some sort of union, we, as individual European countries, are quite weak

There is one thing that must be said too - unlike other countries, we actually have very low rate of gun violence, we got two masshosting, in 2015 and 2020. One with illegal weapon and one with legal guns, but owners permit was withdraw due to his mental state. There also about 1 to 3 cases of use of (real) gun per year, including selfdefence. All that means, thera arent really strong feelings about guns and its generally not seen as threat

In conclusion - you really cant use your local "optic" on this, since its a bit unique level
 
Idahou;

Thank you for the boots on the ground perspective. Very informative and I prefer that view over any talking head on a news broadcast. I especially appreciate your comment on the EU. It it a necessity in these times. But like all unions or large bureaucracies, it does not "fit" every individual.

I see it as a good change, and a great step in the right direction.

Thank you for posting this.
 
Another member on THR — “ Snajderek” — is a Czech attorney who spent lots of time with the Czech Parliament, petitioning politicians there to Resist pressure from the power-hungry EuroZone bureaucrats in Brussels …

….trying to force Czechs to give up some of their gun rights.

These rights include being able to acquire a Handgun Carry Permit. For regular citizens.
 
I remember reading years ago that the Czechs were unwilling to disarm, but wanted to join the EU anyway. The EU allowed a sort of cultural exception to some laws, and they were pursuing it from that angle. I hope it works to the favor. having Hitler blitzkrieg through your country while the EU of the time stands by writing strongly-worded-letters asking him nicely to stop, and when he finally does, having Stalin blitzkrieg through while the EU of the time does the same, is good incentive not to dismantle a partisan force
 
Idahou writes:

As part of "gun owners are part of national security" we now have (well, will have, its just in planning phase) special training program - mostly traditional gun courses, which are now certificated by state and on some level of certification you can get governmental support like some ammo or ability to use some army or polic shooting ranges. Mainly, every participan of this voluntary programs gets additional "legal reasson/right" to own gun
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Kind of makes me wonder if the reasons behind this might be similar to those behind our Civilian Marksmanship Program, as it was initially created.
 
Its interesting that you even hear about Czech and that you find such a news, after all, we are really small country and just few years back, US mistaken us with Chechnya :D

Little sidetrack about that beer - just today one historic club (quite popular and big one) announced special "Legionars beer" - in WW1 a Czechoslovak army unit was formed (we had army before state - till than we were part of Austria-Hungary) in Russia since there was quite a lot of Czech and Slovaks presents - quess why - because they were running about 30 breweries there. After Russia made peace with "germany", all foreign soldiers should be transfered to theirs countries (which meant a huge manpower for "germany") while Russia was being seized by Bolschevicks (they were "founders" of communist russa). But that didnt happen and civil war broke out between "Red" (communist) and "White" (democratic Russia). Czechoslovaks were caught in this conflict and were fighting on democratic side of russia as independent army with own factories, infrastructure and ... breweries ofcourse. They were fighting and brewing beer until democratic side of Russia fall apart (year 1920). Sorry for big sidetrack, just thought you may find it interesting beer and firearms facts :D For more google Czechoslovaks Legions.

Anyway, current situation is fine. Gun laws are strict, but not unfair (you really are responsible for your firearms and if you lost it, or its stolen, its a big problem for you), mostly bureaucratic. Gun owning is actually more restricted by economic, its just quite a expensive hobby, because need to have gun for your own safety is low to none. Inside Czech Republic most ppl dont care about guns, gun laws or gun incidents (but remeber there are only few per year). The big thing should be election (but nobody actually cares much) since its currently clear that actuall goverment party which made that said moves against EU gun restriction will not win elections and will probably end very low (i should mention that we have ussually about 6 parties in parlament and two or three ussually makes goverment) and its currently unclear (at least for me) wich parties would actually continue in that program to ensure EU resctrictions cant apply. Its not much political, more like that next minister of internal affairs (which is currently host of that program) will have more pressing matters to deal with (mainly budget cuts i guess) and not that much spirit for that - the program is mostly made by current minister. So we will see
 
Even though it’s wording isn’t specific to saying that the people have the right to own and keep firearms, it does read easily and seems to very flatly state what the intent is. Much unlike the quagmire we see in the US over exactly what each letter of each word means when taken in context of the late 18th century paraphrased, translated to Swahili then Chinese, Klingon, Wookie, and then back to English by a bunch of lawyers each trying to retire solely from their work on the topic.
 
You said it: Self serving lawyers. And politicians. It’s not that difficult to understand the meaning and intent of the 2A. But it’s made to seem so because of them and their agendas.
 
Idahou said:
Its interesting that you even hear about Czech and that you find such a news, after all, we are really small country and just few years back, US mistaken us with Chechnya :D

Little sidetrack about that beer - just today one historic club (quite popular and big one) announced special "Legionars beer" - in WW1 a Czechoslovak army unit was formed (we had army before state - till than we were part of Austria-Hungary) in Russia since there was quite a lot of Czech and Slovaks presents - quess why - because they were running about 30 breweries there. After Russia made peace with "germany", all foreign soldiers should be transfered to theirs countries (which meant a huge manpower for "germany") while Russia was being seized by Bolschevicks (they were "founders" of communist russa). But that didnt happen and civil war broke out between "Red" (communist) and "White" (democratic Russia). Czechoslovaks were caught in this conflict and were fighting on democratic side of russia as independent army with own factories, infrastructure and ... breweries ofcourse. They were fighting and brewing beer until democratic side of Russia fall apart (year 1920). Sorry for big sidetrack, just thought you may find it interesting beer and firearms facts :D For more google Czechoslovaks Legions.

Anyway, current situation is fine. Gun laws are strict, but not unfair (you really are responsible for your firearms and if you lost it, or its stolen, its a big problem for you), mostly bureaucratic. Gun owning is actually more restricted by economic, its just quite a expensive hobby, because need to have gun for your own safety is low to none. Inside Czech Republic most ppl dont care about guns, gun laws or gun incidents (but remeber there are only few per year). The big thing should be election (but nobody actually cares much) since its currently clear that actuall goverment party which made that said moves against EU gun restriction will not win elections and will probably end very low (i should mention that we have ussually about 6 parties in parlament and two or three ussually makes goverment) and its currently unclear (at least for me) wich parties would actually continue in that program to ensure EU resctrictions cant apply. Its not much political, more like that next minister of internal affairs (which is currently host of that program) will have more pressing matters to deal with (mainly budget cuts i guess) and not that much spirit for that - the program is mostly made by current minister. So we will see
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You mean you're not Chechens? :p

As an American who grew up going to Sokol Minnesota (Minnesota's Czech Historical Society) with my mom, (who was 1/2 Bohemian) of course I applaud this historic legislation preserving Czech citizens' right to defend themselves.....and the country.
Praha svým vítězným synům!
And of course I also studied the very slow struggle of the Československé legie across Russia to Vladivostok. ;)
 
No, we are not chechens (they dont have that good beer) :D

Cool, Sokol had actually quite a big part in culture and military in times of first republic and (between WW1 and WW2) Czechoslovaks legions before, they even act as special force when we had take over Bratislava after Hungarians refused to give it up in 1918. In night attack, they barefoot took over rest of Bratislava and, if i recall it correctly, without killing single hunfarian.

Anyway current EU gun restriction are kinda kept in line by new local laws and that mentioned program, but another EU move getting attention - its eko move against lead in industry and even in ammo. EU already passed bill which prohibits using lead (even in shotgun shells) in wetlands. Which would be kinda nothing, since we already had such restrictions in place, problem is in EU definition of wetlands and idea how to force such a restriction, resulting in state that said bill can be aplied even around "puddle of water" and in same time its almost imposible to control it or legaly forced it.
Industry focused lead restriction would have much bigger impact (lead is very hard to replace due its properties and low price) and just few days ago it got attention again, because as justification authors submitted experts report, which is quite a lot offf - dont know details, just fast-readed news from gun-law organization Lex.
I would say its not much aimed against guns (but it would have bigger impact than gun restrictions itself),a nd its more like act of "active jerk" (aktivní blbec) as we say.
I doubt, that it will pass and even if it do, its not gonna fly. But i would say its interesting bit in topic of gun restriction
 
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