You said yourself we're outnumbered and outgunned where politics is concerned.
Did I really? I believe I've said (rather often, recently) we're doing a pretty good job right now and the political, legislative, and judicial processes have been WORKING for us in the last couple of decades.
No disrespect, but using flowery words to call me a fool because I don't believe we'll succeed working within the system isn't very high road, Sam and hso. Just because you don't agree with me doesn't entitle you to belittle me or my ideas.
Wasn't really trying to call you a fool. Desiring revolution right now certainly is foolish, imho. Maybe I am indeed calling this guy with his armed march a fool, though -- but I'm not convinced he's just a fool.
As far as the predicted results of revolution - what makes you think we don't have any chance of rebuilding after major upheaval? Isn't that what birthed our nation?
NO. It is NOT. Good grief -- study the men, the veritable gods of learning and wisdom who birthed this nation. We have NOTHING like them now. It wasn't a bunch of simple colonists and backwoods settlers who laid out the cornerstones of the USA.
We do have our Madisons, Jeffersons and Washingtons.
Really? There are NONE. If there are, then they are too cowardly or too retiring or too ... something ... to show their faces on the current political and/or popular scene then. And if that's the case, they'll never have the power to establish anything more than a sewing bee.
People that stifle honest discussion based on what might happen, or what could happen in your opinion, keep many of them quiet.
Uh...if they can be so easily stifled, they will make no kind of leader.
Hard times forge the kind of men you're waiting on to show up magically.
What? You think Madison and Jefferson and will arise from hard times of anarchy and deprivation? Good heavens, do you know who these men WERE? Read their lives. Please!
Those men weren't created in peacetime, brother.
WHAT? These men were the privileged, leisured class, "pampered" far beyond luxury as we know it. They had the freedom to study philosophy, language, and the classics for decades, and the philosophers and political theorists they studied were of a class and caliber the like of which is no longer seen. Any idea that they were rugged homespun sorts who banged together a Republic while struggling to stay alive is absolutely adrift from historic reality.
You want to talk history? Our founding fathers were just regular guys for the most part, until things got hairy and King George decided the colonies weren't being taxed enough.
Oh fooey. That's such a simplistic and wrong explanation that it makes the conversation start to become absurd! American colonists were taxed less than any other British subject in the world at the time. ... Never mind. This is going to take too much off-topic explanation.
We've been trying to simply hold on to some shred of the rights those men fought to protect for how long now? In regards to the RKBA, we've been having our rights shaved away little by little since the late 20's/early 30's. Sure, we've made some headway towards regaining some of those rights, but it's baby steps and only really in the past 10 years. We're nowhere near to being even competitive to the standing army we're not supposed to have according to the constitution.
Look, if you want to be upset that the Republic isn't exactly what it was on ratification, you'll need to start a whole lot earlier than the 1920s. Heck, more than 100 years earlier. Actually, it was almost IMMEDIATELY not what it was at ratification! I think it would be fascinating to see a nation today existing strictly on the text, but no one who's been alive for a very long time has any experience with that paradigm. Going to war in the vain attempt to recreate it, with no hope nor prayer of succeeding, is a truly nihilist idea.