DA revolver not ergonomical

[Mizar]

Red Cent, may I suggest a simple test - take a new shooter with you on the range (one that hasn't shoot before), hand him your most ergonomic handgun (1911, SA Colt, whatever) and ask him to lower the gun after every shot. Watch him as he brings the gun back on target - he (she) will adjust the gun's position EVERY time - rotate the gun up or down, adjust the grip, adjust the trigger finger's position... One has to adjust himself to the handgun, not the opposite. In other words - there are guns with better ergonomics, but there isn't a single, most-ergonomic-of-all handgun.

Boris

 

[Choice]

Remo 223 When Jerry shoots his revolvers he has rubber grips

 

[Remo223]

When quick drawing, Jerry Miculek uses plain smooth unvarnished wood grips lubricated with baby powder. no checkering, no finger grooves, and fairly narrow cross section.

 

[Nushif]

Concerning grip angles I actually found the best "pointing" angle for me is the TT33 style or the 1911.
Maybe this is because I do not have a fencing background but I have held a lot of wrenches and done martial arts so the "punch" angle on the TT33 works as well. 8)

 

[Old Fuff]

I pose the statement that the FBI cant is the worst holster position created unless you radically crouch and/or throw the shoulder up and back to achieve the draw.

Well the FBI did use a low crouch and bent forward at the waist. This resulted in the holster being almost horizontal. The revolver cleared leather with the muzzle pointed backwards, and the revolver was rotated as the arm was extended forward. For high/strong side carry it was fast.

Bill Jordan on the other hand, used the same holster angle, but with the holster carried lower, and drew without any crouching but with his shoulder very high, but not backwards. The draw was mostly accomplished by only moving the arm, and from personal observation I can assure you he was both accurate and exceeding fast.

Ed NcGivern prefered a cross-draw when a revolver had a 4" barrel or less, and was carried at waist level. He twisted his body at the waist, and could almost clear leather without moving his arm once he had gripped the butt. He was also very fast and deadly accurate.

Bottom line: You're best at what you practice.

 

[Old Fuff]

When quick drawing, Jerry Miculek uses plain smooth unvarnished wood grips lubricated with baby powder. no checkering, no finger grooves, and fairly narrow cross section.

So did Bill Jordan, but with his own design of stocks, and no baby powder. In particular, he advised against checking and finger grooves.

 

[goon]

I think it's a subjective thing.
For me, the Hogue grips on my SP-101 are among the most naturally pointing and best fit for my hand that I've ever had on any handgun. The Browning Hi-Power and SIG P-225 were also great, but I don't own either now so I can't give a true comparison. I can say that the SP-101 fits my hand more naturally than the GP-100 or any of the S&W's I've owned.

 

[CraigC]

This is way too subjective for there to be many hard and fast rules. Except that you have to find what sixgun and grip combination works best for you. The good news is that we get to do a lot of shooting to find out.

 

[BCRider]

I wonder how many are going to post that you never had to consciously rotate the revolver to hit the target until it was a normal/subconscious movement? Fast out of the holster.

Guilty as charged

I love the variety of my collection. But with that variety comes the issue of never getting totally locked into any one platform to where I can raise it up and have the sights in alignment. So I don't even try. Instead I conciously bring the guns up and out to present them to the target slightly front high. During the forward extension I put the front blade onto target and as I raise the rear up to align with the front the trigger is being loaded up so that the gun is ready to shoot as the rear reaches position. They've just got WAY more built up muscle memory options for swings and reactions than us casual players.

As for a revolver being ergonomically "correct" or not it is what it is. The gun which any of us find Ergonomically Correct (EC) is going to be the one we practice with the most. It's related to muscle memory. It's why any of us can play ping pong but why most of us would be thoroughly trounced if we played with one of the Chinese Ping Pong Team players.

In your case you were "brought up" in your shooting using semis. So a revolver just feels odd. In my case I "discovered" and obtained a couple of revolvers very early in my shooting hobby. So I've learned both in parallel without any big issues where you find them awkward. It's not that the gun isn't EC, it's just that it's not what your muscle memory is expecting when you draw and present so it's stuck out there at some odd angle and feels odd in your hands.

This feel isn't helped any by the fact that to semi auto shooters the trigger on a revolver will feel oddly low compared to the grip. Sort of like you need to reach WAY down to get your finger on the trigger correctly.

Well, yep, it is. But there's something about how you pull the trigger through a double action stroke that works with a revolver to reduce the tension related sights wandering. And once you get a bit used to it you may find, like many here including myself, that the revolver system just "works" and your groups shot with revolver in DA are actually as tight or even tighter than some of your semi autos.

 

[Red Cent]

OOOOOOOOk.

In about a year or two, I'll come back and start a post titled "The 1911 is not ergonomical". And a bunch of the world will go to both sides of 118 degrees.
Sheeessssh.

 

[waidmann]

CDNN offers an inexpensive round butt to square butt (wooden) conversion grip that I have mounted on my 60-10. I prefer it to the Herret equivalent.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

I agree that it's a VERY subjective thing. I do ok with a 1911 but I pretty well grew up shooting one and adapted to IT. The Sigma feels very good to me; a BHP with Spegel delrins is very usable. I can't hit anything with a Glock, and a SIG isn't much better.

Seems to me, though, that a K frame Smith is the best chassis for stocks that suit the widest range of shooters (that would include the old Ruger Service/Security Sixes). a long time ago I got a Smith Model 13 for a work gun but couldn't stand the stock grips. I sold it and tried the Ruger with the same results. At the time I was shooting a fair amount of IPSC and got aquainted with Craig Spegel who was just getting started making handgun stocks. We took a set of K frame stock blanks and modified them for the Ruger, and then started fitting them to my hand. We wound up with a minimalist set of stocks that left the backstrap bare, had a filler, and no finger grooves. We wound up with a design that works perfectly for me, with a smooth Tru-Oil finish. I've used that basic pattern now for over 30 years, and everyone that tries them likes them. They point like the finger of God. The GP-100 grips are sufficiently like them to where I have no need to change them, and Hogue's Monogrips work well for me in spite of the finger grooves, which I normally hate. I just put a set on an old Model 10 that had been wearing Goodyear rubber grips, and my high and left groups abruptly moved to dead center where they should have been.

The longer I shoot handguns the more I believe that fit is critical; and once you have that right sheer familiarity and muscle memory makes you better yet. Same general principles apply to holsters and their use. Cynics might call it age and treachery, but I prefer to call it wisdom and experience.

 

[GLOOB]

I pose the statement that the FBI cant is the worst holster position created

I personally use it because it keeps the muzzle pointed away from my own leg during all parts of drawing/reholstering. (Luckily, it's also comfortable for me. Just have to rotate the holster a little farther back, towards 4 o'clock.)

Although, I agree that it wouldn't feel or look right with a SA revolver, if that's your thing.

 

[hardluk1]

Red Cent Try to see what LB Custom Grips can do for a DW grip. He will sell them with no finish too. With all the basic designs he makes you might find something to help with your DW atleast

 

[ExMachina]

I'm a weird guy in that I have very LARGE hands but I prefer nothing more than smooth magnas on my 45ACP S&W N-frame. The grip feels too small for my hands but the gun points and shoots like all get-out.

The high grip I'm able to get with this setup results in zero muzzle flip with full house loads and I can keep my sights continually within an 8" circle @ 10 yards for a full string of six shots. I can't do that with my 1911, the pistol which has been my gold standard for what I want in a defensive gun/caliber combination. And the revolver points instinctively for me too.

The lesson I learned with this revolver was that, for the kind of shooting I want to do with this particular gun (quick, semi-precise, defensive-style) I can get a better "handle" on the gun using a grip that is not nearly as massive and my hands would imply that I need. I had fully intended to get a set of Jordan-style grips but I have absolutely zero complaints with the unlikely setup that I have now.

Ultimately, it's all a personal choice, but it might be worth experimenting with configurations that don't feel "right", just to see how they preform on the firing line. You might be as surprised as I was

 

[doc540]

aim? I just point

 

[chadintex]

Doc, that is gorgeous.