Dad sets bad example for son and hunters!

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My daughter told me about a kid at her school who hunted for the first time this year. He is 16 and asked his dad to take him to get his first deer. Dad and him go out on the youth only weekend to get him his first buck. They are in the stand and a nice 8 point comes up. They only have the one rifle which dad is holding. Before the son knows it, his dad shoots it, and tells him to just say he, the son, shot it. When they show the deer to the old man who owns the land on which they were hunting, he says "Got your first deer, huh?" The kid just looks at his dad and says yes. I'm still angry and my daughter told me this story last week. :fire: We live in a small town, so it will only be a matter of time before the truth comes out. This scumbag of a father sent several messages by his illegal, selfish and immature act. :cuss:

lying is OK.
Breaking the law is OK
Breaking your word is OK
putting yourself before others is OK
taking advantage of older people is OK.
hunting has no code of honor

I could go on, but you get the picture.
 
Wow, Cheat your son out of a deer. Then have him lie about it.
What a LOSER
 
I know who is the bigger child. When my son was about 14 I put him about three hundred yards from me in a stand across a fence line with an occasional Cedar tree in it. A nice 6 pointer walked down the fence line on my side and I set a marker at the last tree that when it passed it I would fire in case my son had not seen it. I dropped the deer about ten feet past the tree and immediately heard him shout---DAD, YOU SHOT MY DEER. Did I feel like a dog. He was using the same "marker" and was pulling the trigger the same time I was. He has grown into a fine hunter and a fine man but I will always remember how badly I felt about shooting "his" deer.
 
I understand what you're saying 06, but the situations are totally different. You did nothing wrong, just something you'd take back if you could. The dad it speaks about in the post is a total loser and gives all hunters a bad name. All we can hope for is that his son doesn't turn out to be a chip of the ol block.
 
Ya reap what ya sow. I doubt that boy will respect his dad much from now on.
 
id call it in


but guys face it all of us hunters lie, ill admit it that 9pter i missed last year it was only a 6. then again this si about as bad as most of our lies get
 
Damn,
And I felt bad today about eating my son's Hostess Ding Dongs cup cakes. My Son was very dissapointed :(

This Father is a mother!

LGB
 
Bad example for sure...........

But just maybe the boy will take the lesson different from what we assume. Maybe he will decide, when he contemplates how it made him feel, that he will NEVER do such himself.

Sometimes seeing truly bad behavior has the oposit effect. It can sharpen the mind as to right and wrong and to what's ethical and what's not.

It's something to hope for.
 
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Bad example for sure...........

But just maybe the boy will take the lesson different from what we assume. Maybe he will decide, when he contemplates how it made him feel, that he will NEVER do such himself.

Sometimes seeing truly bad behavior has the oposit effect. It can sharpen the mind as to right and wrong and to what's ethical and what's not.

It's something to hope for.
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i certainly hope so. but it makes you wonder about the father's father. much of our behavior is learned from our parents; good and bad.
 
I've got several buddies that are Game Wardens..... this guy isn't alone! Some of the stories that they tell about "Dads" will make you sick.... Like the Dad that shot a buck that didn't meet the new antler restrictions. He told his son to lie and say that the buck was his, thinking that the Warden wouldn't write the kid a ticket. The kid let the "cat out of the bag" and Dad got the ticket. The bad thing is that the kid probably got punished, once they got home.
 
This brings up some bad memories of my childhood. I'm going to go torture a cat or rob a liquor store or something. ;)
 
id call it in
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Yea let's teach him a real lesson! Maybe get him arrested and maybe cost him a job. Or, at the very least, maybe take a week or two's paycheck from him. Then, when he eats the deer cause he has nothing else to eat and is broke, and his wife drags him down in deep arguments over "how are we supposed to pay the utilities now!!??," he will have learned his lesson.

:barf:

The situation sucks, and, it sucks having your kid lie for you. A good man would apologize to his son. He prolly just got excited when he saw the deer and acted hastily. I'd probably get the same way.
 
What, commit a crime (poaching) and then ask your son to become your accomplice by lying about it?

The boy needs to see his father pay for his crime. Actions need to have consequences, and the boy needs to see that they do. If you'd get the same way, I'd put you in the cell next to his.

:barf: indeed.
 
The kid admits to lying in the story, I wonder how much of the story is also a lie? I've seen teen boys that I know are hunters lie about hunting around a pretty girl, but I live in an area where hunting culture meets yuppie culture :barf: Hormones make a male do stupid things whether deer or human :D. Still I have taught several fellows in hunter safety with their kids, and they were known poacher suspects, and the kids were barely old enough to take the class..., so Dad was just getting an excuse to get more tags. The story sounds plausible.

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The boy needs to see his father pay for his crime. Actions need to have consequences, and the boy needs to see that they do. If you'd get the same way, I'd put you in the cell next to his.
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Oh brother. It is just a damn deer and we're talking about an arbitrary age law. I'd violate that in a heartbeat if it meant putting a delicious deer on my table. I'll teach my son that it is okay to lie to big brother, when big brother is being stupid and not minding his own business. It would be far more evil to burden the family by sending in some parasite game warden, who presumes total ownership of all animals in his kingdom, then it would be to simply allow the taking of the deer in the first place. The law, not the father, is wrong here because it ultimately put him in this position. Is lying the ideal? No, not at all. Should the father have given the gun to the son to begin with? Yep. But sometimes, you just gotta do what you gotta do. Is this a crime? Hardly.

Of course this is just my opinion. I know many of you love your statism and are "loyalists" and so this might come as a shock to your sensibilities.
 
Yep, let's just ignore the law and let good old dad kill a deer and force his son to lie. It ain't like it's a really big lie. All of us know that those game regulations that encourage young folks to hunt are made to be broken.

Dad may even take his son hunting on posted private property. He may even run into a landownder like me who will accost him for trespassing. Did just that a few years ago when a dad took his son quail hunting on my conspicuously posted property.

In front of his son Dad told me he is a LEO and he refused to leave my property. Took dad outside the sons hearing and in no uncertain terms informed him that i was friends with his chief of police. Told dad to finish the hunt with his son and never ever come back. Took a picture of the back of plate of dads truck parked by my gate with its two no trespassing signs.
 
Anyone who would make a statement like, "It's just a damn deer" doesn't deserve the right to go into the woods and hunt. If you have no respect for nature or the animal you're hunting, as well as no respect for the law, you need to keep your a$$ at home. Anyone who would teach their son to lie to authorities to save their own hide is an unfit parent.

Game laws are in place for a reason. Yeah, I'll agree that some of them are a bit silly, but I follow them none the less. In the Natural State, our deer population was almost totally gone until the game laws tightened up. Now we have a very nice deer population, as well as an elk herd that you can draw permits for. The laws are there for a reason and they work.

But you're right IrishJedi, it's the law's fault that this scumbag broke the law and forced his son to lie. And it's the laws fault that people burglarize homes, kill others, steal, rape, and whatever other crime they're commiting. It's never the poor lawbreaker's fault.

The name of this forum is The High Road. Maybe you ought to try to walk down it.
 
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These are some of the saddest stories I have ever heard.........Dad knew the kid couldn't shoot,so he took advantage of the situation,besides,you only have the kid's story..
 
That is a horrible shame. The worst part is that the son is going to lack the character that he'll so desperately need later in life.
 
drop a dime one him...

Twice in my life, both times duck hunting, I shot at one of a pair of mallards flying low and dropped them both. I remember thinking, holy smokes that is awesome. After the hunt I spoke my Grandfather and in the other case my father, and they talked about the pair of mallards they dropped in one shot.

We laughed and reasoned we must have fired at the birds at the exact same instant. Not the same as the above, but a very special hunting story anyway.
 
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