I'm not interested in carrying either, but what do you think is the better overall fighting design? Double edged stabbing blades or slashing/stabbing blades?
The same thing applies to swords.
The same thing applies to swords.
Dagger vs Knife
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Stabbing is said to incapacitate more quickly than slashing.... But you can do either with most knife designs...
The double edged blade is weaker and less versatile than a well designed single edge blade, in most cases.... And is less legally awkward in most jurisdictions....
Generally, I prefer a single edged blade. More versatile. Ever try to use a double edged blade for anything other than defense? LOL, it's not easy.
J
The double edged blade is weaker and less versatile than a well designed single edge blade, in most cases.... And is less legally awkward in most jurisdictions....
Generally, I prefer a single edged blade. More versatile. Ever try to use a double edged blade for anything other than defense? LOL, it's not easy.
J
My preference is a sharpened swedge non-dagger with just the right amount of belly for effective slashing with the tip slightly below the center line of the grip. This allows the back cut, slashing, hacking, thrusting.
If this had the drop in the axis of the blade wrt the grip and had a sharpened swedge it would be nearly ideal. The curve to the belly is a gentle curve without being too severe that is slides off instead of bites.
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I think knives are poor choices for "fighting", but better choices for killing. Harsh, but true.
Here are some of my favorite choices for combination tool/weapon, with the first on the left being my dream tool. #3 only has one purpose for me. I pray I never have to use it.
What most Americans think of as a Bowie stabs just fine, while also usually being a versatile design in general. It's even more versatile in a combat situation than a dagger.
John
Here are some of my favorite choices for combination tool/weapon, with the first on the left being my dream tool. #3 only has one purpose for me. I pray I never have to use it.
What most Americans think of as a Bowie stabs just fine, while also usually being a versatile design in general. It's even more versatile in a combat situation than a dagger.
John
Doesn't it really matter as to what you call a dagger?
Is it a slender blade with both sides fully sharpened, or can the second side be only partially sharpened, i.e F/S vs. Ek Commando Knife Co....But does it have to be a slender blade? What would you call the sharp pointed, very wide (~2"), double sharpened, Arkansas Toothpick of Civil War fame like Randall Knives et al makes?
S.R. Johnson Commando 6” F/S copy, Ek partial edge, Randall Model 13-12" & 6"Arkansas Toothpick (1.5"x¼")
Peter Bauchop 7.5”
Slashing causes far more tissue and arterial damage then stabbing does but stabbing causes far more organ damage...Sneaking up and doing a sentry takeout with a blade to the heart via the rib cage or down from the collar bone or into the kidneys will kill but it isn't easy to get to that attack in a fight...If you can stab your opponent while facing them then do so but experienced knife fighters will slash at artery junctions--wrist, elbow, knee to cause massive bleed out, which then slows down the brain and of course weakens the muscles where the miscreant can be finished off with a stab to the carotid or heart...
A perfect design is really something personal but something like this comes close to being the best fighting. tactical (I hate that word), O/Defence knife...Sharpened not false edge, approx. 7", fairly wide and thick blade, double (but bottom single for sure) quillions...slash in both direction with enough belly and/or weight to reach bone, sharp point for easy thrusting
John Horrigan Elite 7.5”, Entrek USA Force Recon 6”, Scott Shoemaker 5.875” Chute knife style
Stabbing through the ribs nothing beats a narrow blade like the F/S style while stabbing down from the collar bone favours the clip point style of blade as well as for a slashing fight which the F/s will do just not as efficiently and effectively...
Entrek USA, a commercial maker, has some excellent O/D knives available for round $200
Is it a slender blade with both sides fully sharpened, or can the second side be only partially sharpened, i.e F/S vs. Ek Commando Knife Co....But does it have to be a slender blade? What would you call the sharp pointed, very wide (~2"), double sharpened, Arkansas Toothpick of Civil War fame like Randall Knives et al makes?
S.R. Johnson Commando 6” F/S copy, Ek partial edge, Randall Model 13-12" & 6"Arkansas Toothpick (1.5"x¼")
Peter Bauchop 7.5”Slashing causes far more tissue and arterial damage then stabbing does but stabbing causes far more organ damage...Sneaking up and doing a sentry takeout with a blade to the heart via the rib cage or down from the collar bone or into the kidneys will kill but it isn't easy to get to that attack in a fight...If you can stab your opponent while facing them then do so but experienced knife fighters will slash at artery junctions--wrist, elbow, knee to cause massive bleed out, which then slows down the brain and of course weakens the muscles where the miscreant can be finished off with a stab to the carotid or heart...
A perfect design is really something personal but something like this comes close to being the best fighting. tactical (I hate that word), O/Defence knife...Sharpened not false edge, approx. 7", fairly wide and thick blade, double (but bottom single for sure) quillions...slash in both direction with enough belly and/or weight to reach bone, sharp point for easy thrusting
John Horrigan Elite 7.5”, Entrek USA Force Recon 6”, Scott Shoemaker 5.875” Chute knife style
Stabbing through the ribs nothing beats a narrow blade like the F/S style while stabbing down from the collar bone favours the clip point style of blade as well as for a slashing fight which the F/s will do just not as efficiently and effectively...
Entrek USA, a commercial maker, has some excellent O/D knives available for round $200
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I don't know, I think this dagger design good give most others a good run for their money. The steel is decent the temper is good. Is it as good as a custom no, but it doesn't have the extreme price tag either.
I am not affiliated with the company in any way, I just like this dagger's design I have one of their older ones.
http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-260-new-coustille.aspx
I am not affiliated with the company in any way, I just like this dagger's design I have one of their older ones.
http://www.museumreplicas.com/p-260-new-coustille.aspx
"I was trained that daggers are for killing. No sportsman needs a dagger."
This is the type of thinking some folks have about certain guns......Wassup with that!
Daggers have their place and are wondrous works of art when crafted by a good maker.
This is the type of thinking some folks have about certain guns......Wassup with that!
Daggers have their place and are wondrous works of art when crafted by a good maker.
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