Talking with hodgdon, there are no plans to test new data for the wsm and I can understand why. But I can't help myself.....I wanna run some staball through it, data is comparable with other appropriate powders I'm already using for both my wsm and buddy's win, can anyone argue a point where cautious attempts at working up my own data would not be feasible? If a quick loads user wants to offer prospective data points I am all ears.......I know similar things have been done before, I've used creed data for .243 workups, but that's less of a jump, planning on starting halfway between min/max of .270 and working up slow (roughest way to phrase my math, been mathing for a couple weeks now). If no useful input can be gathered I'll still chronicle my results here but I've got lots on my plate at the moment so results may not be available till fall.... Thanks for the input highroaders!