Data for 9mm XTP 147 please

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Some years back I picked up a couple boxes of XTP 147 JHP in 9mm. Believe I was thinking to use them for SD carry, and by loading them I could practice with carry rounds cost effectively. So with that in mind:
  • Is it foolish to think I can develop SD rounds without a chrony? indoor range where I have to shoot, usually problematic to set up a chrony.
  • Really like to use one of the powders on the shelf: AA #5, HP38, Titegroup or Clays. Info as to which & load data for it? I've searched but can only find anecdotal info, not published data for bullet/powder I've got. So obviously a preference for published data but would take personal tested loads if not.
  • Other factors I may be missing?
Thanks!
 
I would not recommend your hand loads be used as a carry load. To save lots of money, practice with handloads that are similar to factory, but use factory loads when carrying for self-defense. If you check "Legal", you will see that you as a defendant would not be allowed testify as "an expert" of your own handloads. However, another person from an ammo company could testify in your behalf as an expert, eliminating a problem of distance of shooting, velocity, impact and a number of other ballistic issues that would be to your benefit.
 
Good point on legal. I think the legal point is enough to make saving a few bucks on factory ammo not a good deal. And I think years ago I came to that decision but forgot about it.

I totally missed the HP38 on Hodgdon's paired w XTP 147! Guess I'll load that up and keep for SHTF backup ammo.

Wish I could shoot outdoors with a chrony, but there's just no place within about an hour for it. I'd love to tinker more with my loading.
 
editingfx said:
Some years back I picked up a couple boxes of XTP 147 JHP in 9mm. Believe I was thinking to use them for SD carry, and by loading them I could practice with carry rounds cost effectively. So with that in mind:
  • Is it foolish to think I can develop SD rounds without a chrony? indoor range where I have to shoot, usually problematic to set up a chrony.
  • Really like to use one of the powders on the shelf: AA #5, HP38, Titegroup or Clays. Info as to which & load data for it? I've searched but can only find anecdotal info, not published data for bullet/powder I've got. So obviously a preference for published data but would take personal tested loads if not.
  • Other factors I may be missing?
Thanks!
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I use 3.4gr of TiteGroup for my 147 XTPs. Yields 970 fps from my 4" M&P Compact 2.0. COAL is 1.095. CCI or Win primers, results are the same. Accuracy is better than I am at 50 feet. This is the exact same velocity as what is listed on the box for Hornady factory ammo. Its is a very light shooting accurate load. Only thing I might change is using N320 as it burns cleaner and cooler.

You will hit a point where adding additional powder doesnt really increase velocity with fast burning powders like TiteGroup. I tested as high as 3.8 and I think I maxed out at 1020 fps. With a slower burning powder you might be able to hit 1050, but honestly it defeats the purpose and turns a nice mild shootable load into something else. 147s arent meant to go fast!

An option if you want to carry 147 XTPs but dont want to go broke while practicing? Use a 147gr HiTek coated with 3.1-3.2gr of TiteGroup. Point of aim and impact is the same and its 25% of the price.

As far as carrying your reloads? I do. I have NEVER been able to find an instance on the internet in the last 5 years Ive looked where someone was prosecuted for using their handloads vs factory ammo.
 
Thanks for the TG/chrono info Kaldor! The TG load was ANOTHER one I missed on the Hodgdon site... doh. I do like the pressure/speed combo with TG, looking at the Hodgdon data. Corresponds with what you're presenting Kaldor.
 
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editingfx said:
Other factors I may be missing?
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Hodgdon online has some data for TG and 231, however keep in mind they list CUP and PSI respectively. Both are under the limit, but, I wouldn’t use a faster powder for a full power SD load, I’d pick the slowest I’ve got, or, buy some slower powder. TGs a good powder but when pushed to limits gets erratic. It does have a snappy felt recoil so it’ll feel like an SD load. If you’re limited to your current set of powders, I’d develop an AA5 load. Western lists several 147s with AA5. There’s lots of slower powders that do well like WSF, N330, N340, BE86, PP, CFE pistol to name a few.
 
editingfx said:
Thanks for the TG/chrono info Kaldor! The TG load was ANOTHER one I missed on the Hodgdon site... doh. I do like the pressure/speed combo with TG, looking at the Hodgdon data. Corresponds with what you're presenting Kaldor.
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The nice thing about TiteGroup? It has good availability, and at super low charge weights, you can load alot of bullets, even off a single pound. I do feel N320 is a better powder though. It does burn cleaner and cooler and the load data is nearly the same as TG. You just have to get over the initial price shock and realize that amortized out over 1000s of rounds, the cost isn't that significant.
 
Like the others above... I see small "gotchas" that may collectively add up to become roadblocks for your plan....

► Depending upon your barrel and its freebore, 147gr may be an issue in some barrels. 147gr was developed for SMGs, so some handguns will balk. If you have a gun made in eastern Europe, or your gun has a "Match Barrel", then the short freebore may force you to seat deeper into the cartridge case. However, the seating depth is not limitless due to case wall dimensions. This is shown in the cartoon below...

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The case wall taper/thickening starts at different places with different brands of brass. It's something that, due to multiple variables, you simply have to test.
►The same applies to factory ammo. If your gun has an aftermarket barrel, then there is always a chance that even factory loaded Hornady 147gr XTP may not "plunk and spin" in the chamber. ALWAYS take your barrel with you when ammo shopping so you can do a plunk and spin test BEFORE purchasing.... especially with 147gr !!
►The powders you list are way too 'fast' for SD loads using a "heavy" bullet. Those are typical powders for 115 and 124gr loading. Generally speaking, heavier bullets prefer a slower powder. I'd suggest BE-86 or N340, both of which are used in factory SD loads AND have flash suppressant, a feature you may want.
►And like Thomasss said, the inexpensive way to practice with any SD load is to 1) handload an inexpensive bullet of the same weight, and 2) get it moving at the same velocity. Your recoil and POI will be very close... at a fraction of the cost. I highly suggest Berry 147gr RN or RMR 147gr Match Winners.

This is all standard reloading practice. What's happening here is that the longer 147gr bullet forces you to think about things in a slightly different way.

Hope this helps
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