No small surprise, the various people I've debated with came back out of the woodwork again this morning on the full offensive with renewed vigor.
Arguments made:
"I'm not particularly in favor of gun laws, despite my political affiliation. It's one of the few differences between me and the democratic party.. However, NY is on pace to only have 250 murders this year, after only having 300 last year. That really is remarkably low for a metropolis like that. I'm not saying it's all because of gun control, but those are the stats "
My response:
XXX, I don't know where you get your stats, but NYC, proper, had 515 murders last year, and 536 the year before, according to the FBI crime stats.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...2011/data-tables/table-4/table-4-montana-ohio
They also had 1,092 forcible rapes, 19,773 robberies, 29,829 aggravated assaults, 140,457 property crimes, 18,159 burglaries, 112,864 larcenies, and 9,434 car thefts.
The 2010 stats let you break it down further (by state)
In New York (Total)
860 homicides (NYC = 62.3% of all murders in the state)
517 via firearm = 60% of murders with firearms
173 via knives = 20% of murders with knives
22 via bare hands = 2.5%
148 via "other" = 17.2% of murders with things other than firearms, knives, or bare hands
Your argument implies that the various firearms bans in New York have had a positive effect on crime rates.
So, consider Texas. Look it up on that site. In the state with the "most guns" and a very pro-gun society, Texas also landed right at 60% range of homicide rate by firearm.
California (with even stricter laws than NYC) ranks in at 69% rate, murder by firearms.
Meanwhile, Vermont, with constitutional carry - no permit required - the right to own full auto weapons, and those dastardly evil james bond silencers, had a whopping 7 murders, state wide, with 2 of those being by firearm - for a rate of only 28%.
Incidentally, Peoria, IL alone has had more murders than that by firearm, in a state with absolutely NO right to carry, whatsoever.
We also have a VERY high rate of murder by firearms here - with over *80 precent* of murders in Illinois were committed by firearms.
Which you aren't allowed to even carry.
How many of those could have been STOPPED - if honest, law abiding people were allowed to protect themselves?
Arguments made:
"I'm not particularly in favor of gun laws, despite my political affiliation. It's one of the few differences between me and the democratic party.. However, NY is on pace to only have 250 murders this year, after only having 300 last year. That really is remarkably low for a metropolis like that. I'm not saying it's all because of gun control, but those are the stats "
My response:
XXX, I don't know where you get your stats, but NYC, proper, had 515 murders last year, and 536 the year before, according to the FBI crime stats.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...2011/data-tables/table-4/table-4-montana-ohio
They also had 1,092 forcible rapes, 19,773 robberies, 29,829 aggravated assaults, 140,457 property crimes, 18,159 burglaries, 112,864 larcenies, and 9,434 car thefts.
The 2010 stats let you break it down further (by state)
In New York (Total)
860 homicides (NYC = 62.3% of all murders in the state)
517 via firearm = 60% of murders with firearms
173 via knives = 20% of murders with knives
22 via bare hands = 2.5%
148 via "other" = 17.2% of murders with things other than firearms, knives, or bare hands
Your argument implies that the various firearms bans in New York have had a positive effect on crime rates.
So, consider Texas. Look it up on that site. In the state with the "most guns" and a very pro-gun society, Texas also landed right at 60% range of homicide rate by firearm.
California (with even stricter laws than NYC) ranks in at 69% rate, murder by firearms.
Meanwhile, Vermont, with constitutional carry - no permit required - the right to own full auto weapons, and those dastardly evil james bond silencers, had a whopping 7 murders, state wide, with 2 of those being by firearm - for a rate of only 28%.
Incidentally, Peoria, IL alone has had more murders than that by firearm, in a state with absolutely NO right to carry, whatsoever.
We also have a VERY high rate of murder by firearms here - with over *80 precent* of murders in Illinois were committed by firearms.
Which you aren't allowed to even carry.
How many of those could have been STOPPED - if honest, law abiding people were allowed to protect themselves?