JTHunter
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Two negatives on Utah: lack of small game (rabbits/squirrels) for hunting, and most of the state, if not all, is "dry". Colorado has more options.
Decision point. Which state to live in? CO, UT, WA, NH
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Utah isn't "dry", you just have to drink water beer if buying off the shelf at the local Walmart. Either find the local breweries and buy from them, or get the regular good beer at the liquor store (and pay the absorbent mark up).
I haven't been around Davis county for any appreciable amount of time to comment on the populous there, but Utah County should be avoided if you want to steer clear of the holier-than-thou and the absolute worst drivers in the State. You have one major North and South thorough fair through that valley and they all will assemble on that road around you to absolutely ruin your commute. Get outside of Utah County and it's like a different world with respect to the drivers for the most part.
Being from Washington though you might already have to put up that type of driving.
I haven't been around Davis county for any appreciable amount of time to comment on the populous there, but Utah County should be avoided if you want to steer clear of the holier-than-thou and the absolute worst drivers in the State. You have one major North and South thorough fair through that valley and they all will assemble on that road around you to absolutely ruin your commute. Get outside of Utah County and it's like a different world with respect to the drivers for the most part.
Being from Washington though you might already have to put up that type of driving.
oneounceload
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And if you want snowboarding - the area around Lake Tahoe has just a few of the best ski areas in the country.
One thing I liked about NV hunting-wise, was all of the open public land - I could be deer hunting on public land 5 minutes from my house, and I lived in the capital. With about 100,000 or so square miles of public land, you can get as far away from folks for a weekend as possible
One thing I liked about NV hunting-wise, was all of the open public land - I could be deer hunting on public land 5 minutes from my house, and I lived in the capital. With about 100,000 or so square miles of public land, you can get as far away from folks for a weekend as possible
Reloadron
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Given those choices I would move to Colorado tomorrow. They have Fat Tire beer there in abundanza. That considering it would be the same job with the same income for myself and my wife. Since that is unlikely in my case I will continue to be a prisoner to Ohio. However, since this is your decision then go wherever trips your trigger.
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MachIVshooter
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If that were true, Utah would be dealing with the infestation instead of us.
I've been in 29 of our 50 states.
•Arizona
•California
•Colorado
•Connecticut
•Georgia
•Illinois
•Indiana
•Iowa
•Kansas
•Kentucky
•Maryland
•Missouri
•Montana
•Nebraska
•Nevada
•New Jersey
•New Mexico
•New York
•North Dakota
•Ohio
•Oklahoma
•Pennsylvania
•South Dakota
•Tennessee
•Texas
•Utah
•Vermont
•West Virginia
•Wyoming
Most of them offer something, some offer a lot and would be decent alternatives. But none of them offer the unique combination that CO does. I can elaborate on what that means, but anyone who lives here understands.
Alaska I want to visit, and is one place I would consider moving if the climate here really did turn blue outside of major cities. However, the weather extremes would be difficult to adjust to after a lifetime in such a mild climate that is so conducive to being outdoors and enjoying sunshine 360 days out of the year.
mljdeckard
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Utah has never been dry. There is no shortage of small game.
Steve H
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I have small game coming out of my ears here in southern Utah. Of course I'm in the mountains and my property borders a large ranch and then nat. forest. As far as being "dry" Mesquite Nevada is about an hour from my place or a half hour from St. George. They sell real booze there and they also have a couple of casinos.
22-rimfire
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You choice appears to go past many immediate economic factors. I would be leaning toward the places you have a house in WA and TN or where you have friends/contacts in CO. I love the Western States, but I don't want to live there. I love to visit them however.
I live in TN and would probably lean toward either TN or KY due primarily to the Ft Campbell and Ft Knox. Columbus GA (Ft Benning) and Fayetteville SC (Ft Bragg) would be possibles. All of the cities immediately around the bases are your typical overgrown towns versus true cities. Texas would obviously be a consideration and San Antonio would be high on my list due to access to a larger population that are non-military or retired military.
Terrain and climate makes a huge difference to me when I choose an area to live in. The terrain around Middle TN and Western KY is not real exciting, but it depends on your other interests as well. But you aren't far from interesting terrain in TN and KY.
You will probably be able to afford private schools when the time comes. That's good.
I have lived in TX and always found it too hot. (Same goes for FL.) The country around San Antonio and Austin is very interesting however. I enjoyed that part of TX for recreational pursuits.
I live in TN and would probably lean toward either TN or KY due primarily to the Ft Campbell and Ft Knox. Columbus GA (Ft Benning) and Fayetteville SC (Ft Bragg) would be possibles. All of the cities immediately around the bases are your typical overgrown towns versus true cities. Texas would obviously be a consideration and San Antonio would be high on my list due to access to a larger population that are non-military or retired military.
Terrain and climate makes a huge difference to me when I choose an area to live in. The terrain around Middle TN and Western KY is not real exciting, but it depends on your other interests as well. But you aren't far from interesting terrain in TN and KY.
You will probably be able to afford private schools when the time comes. That's good.
I have lived in TX and always found it too hot. (Same goes for FL.) The country around San Antonio and Austin is very interesting however. I enjoyed that part of TX for recreational pursuits.
denton
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Most of Utah is arid. The state is not "dry" in the sense of alcoholic beverages. It has some quirky liquor laws, but is definitely not "dry". Where else can you get beer that advertises "baptize your tastebuds", or Polygamy Ale that advertises "just one is not enough"?
From time to time, Utah's jackrabbit population explodes, and you'll get a few years of really good pest control. There are plenty of coyotes and some foxes, and it's not far to good prairie dog shooting. But, as said, there is not much in the way of squirrels.
Nevada has some surprising areas. Of course, most of the state is really dry. But along the eastern slopes of the Sierras, there is a narrow ribbon that gets lots of runoff. There are places near Genoa where the cattails grow thick. And the drive along the Walker River is unsurpassed. I'm no fisherman, but there are some pools there that call to me.
I've lived in Idaho, Oregon, Nevada, Minnesota, Michigan, and Utah. There were things that I liked a lot about all of them. Within any of them there are various microclimates that make all the difference. I like where I am in Utah a lot. That, and a few select areas of Nevada are probably the top of my list.
98% of Utah County drivers do give the other 2% a bad name.
From time to time, Utah's jackrabbit population explodes, and you'll get a few years of really good pest control. There are plenty of coyotes and some foxes, and it's not far to good prairie dog shooting. But, as said, there is not much in the way of squirrels.
Nevada has some surprising areas. Of course, most of the state is really dry. But along the eastern slopes of the Sierras, there is a narrow ribbon that gets lots of runoff. There are places near Genoa where the cattails grow thick. And the drive along the Walker River is unsurpassed. I'm no fisherman, but there are some pools there that call to me.
I've lived in Idaho, Oregon, Nevada, Minnesota, Michigan, and Utah. There were things that I liked a lot about all of them. Within any of them there are various microclimates that make all the difference. I like where I am in Utah a lot. That, and a few select areas of Nevada are probably the top of my list.
98% of Utah County drivers do give the other 2% a bad name.
If you've still got 12-18 months before your move, why not grab Ms. Boston and spend a few weeks driving around some of the Western states that you're interested in? Maybe a week or two in the winter and then again in the summer. Lots of places sound good on paper, but don't necessarily live up to their reputation in person. Heck, maybe some of the members here could meet up with you and show you around a little. Just a thought if you've got any leave time saved up.
MICHAEL T
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I agree with Fluff AZ. I lived in Co for 5 years and I was so happy to move. That I didn't return for almost 20. Then only for a couple days and ain't been back since. Sorry folks I don't find all that snow and those ugly mountians all that appealing. I always thought The people that settled their. After crossing Kan. by wagon, fighting Indians . They took one look at those mountians and look back at Kan. and said. This is it I ain;t going any farther . Could never see another reason to live in Co.
I know this has already been addressed but, yeah, neither of these comments are accurate.
But OP, don't move here please, I'm a little burnt with the Relos lately.
This is true. Driving in Utah is pure combat, Utah County is even worse.
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Lincoln4
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It's true, you can now legally use a suppressor in Washington. We got the law changed last year. Next up, short barrel rifles!
leadcounsel
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It is important to note I've lived in MI, PA, CO, VA, GA, TN/KY, and WA. I've also lived overseas in Scotland and Iraq, and traveled many places in the world. I have a pretty good idea what I like. I like summer and winter. I like the outdoors.
Ms. Boston is tied to the Boston area and cannot move further than say NH or Vermont.
I appreciate all of the input so far. Keep it coming!
Ms. Boston is tied to the Boston area and cannot move further than say NH or Vermont.
I appreciate all of the input so far. Keep it coming!
I have lived in Alaska, California, Maine, Pennsylvania, MA, NY state, WA, MD, Washington D.C., Colorado and now Idaho. Of all of those, I did love Denver but that was over 20 years ago. Sadly, just about every place that my wife and I used to go for dates is no longer.
Buckingham Mall, is raised, Luther's BBQ Pit, Buckingham Broker, Garcia's Mexican all gone with it , not even the buildings any longer. Traffic in the Denver area is TERRIBLE beyond all belief. We spent some time there in 2008 and simply couldn't believe the changes, not for the better in our opinion.
Traffic jams going to the mountains through the Eisenhower tunnel are legendary. The bark beetle has killed millions of acres of trees which stand mile upon mile dead as a monument to poor management policies.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/06/photos_bark_beetles_gone_wild.php?page=2
Sorry, there was a time when my wife and I believed that Colorado would be our permanent home, but no longer. Northern Idaho is still a place of beauty rivaling Alaska in many ways. In my opinion, it is better in one very distinct way, so few mosquitoes compared to my childhood days in Alaska. Please don't tell anyone how nice it is here in Idaho, we like it just the way it is. Sadly, Colorado doesn't have that same claim in many ways. Just my opinion.
Buckingham Mall, is raised, Luther's BBQ Pit, Buckingham Broker, Garcia's Mexican all gone with it , not even the buildings any longer. Traffic in the Denver area is TERRIBLE beyond all belief. We spent some time there in 2008 and simply couldn't believe the changes, not for the better in our opinion.
Traffic jams going to the mountains through the Eisenhower tunnel are legendary. The bark beetle has killed millions of acres of trees which stand mile upon mile dead as a monument to poor management policies.
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2012/06/photos_bark_beetles_gone_wild.php?page=2
Sorry, there was a time when my wife and I believed that Colorado would be our permanent home, but no longer. Northern Idaho is still a place of beauty rivaling Alaska in many ways. In my opinion, it is better in one very distinct way, so few mosquitoes compared to my childhood days in Alaska. Please don't tell anyone how nice it is here in Idaho, we like it just the way it is. Sadly, Colorado doesn't have that same claim in many ways. Just my opinion.
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utbrowningman
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In response to the Utah traffic comment, there are bad drivers everywhere. Nobody has the market on stupidity. And there is no traffic problem in Utah County. Davis County is where the traffic problems occur between Farmington and Centerville. Utah is fine. Enjoy the weather, the outdoors, and the people really are not bad.
rodinal220
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CO,just stay away from Denver and Boulder and you will be GTG.
Steve H
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Traffic in Utah isn't too bad.................just the other day I had two cars drive down the road to my house!
Gun laws are irrelevant. Pretty landscape is irrelevant.
Look, you're trying to establish a practice and make a lot of money. Go or stay where you have the most contacts and where you know the law. If you've been practicing in colo, then stay there. You already know people. You already know the state statutes, the local rules, some of the judges, etc. Don't move somewhere and have to start all over.
Make money and establish roots and a reputation. Buy a second home wherever you want that has groovy gun laws when the time comes. Then you can play with guns to your hearts content. If you can find the time.
Moving around will waste your time and set your career back. Seriously dude I know damn well what I'm talking about because I'm living that mistake right now. You know like I do that the most successful lawyers have been practicing in the same venue for 20 or 30 years. They don't worry about moving or gun laws or about other stuff.
Look, you're trying to establish a practice and make a lot of money. Go or stay where you have the most contacts and where you know the law. If you've been practicing in colo, then stay there. You already know people. You already know the state statutes, the local rules, some of the judges, etc. Don't move somewhere and have to start all over.
Make money and establish roots and a reputation. Buy a second home wherever you want that has groovy gun laws when the time comes. Then you can play with guns to your hearts content. If you can find the time.
Moving around will waste your time and set your career back. Seriously dude I know damn well what I'm talking about because I'm living that mistake right now. You know like I do that the most successful lawyers have been practicing in the same venue for 20 or 30 years. They don't worry about moving or gun laws or about other stuff.
leadcounsel
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I strongly disagree. Friendly gun laws (and the allied 'castle doctrine' type laws) are incredibly important and could mean the difference between life and death, or prison and freedom.
"Pretty landscape" to me means "outdoors" activities and it goes toward happiness and quality of life, hobbies, healthy lifestyle, and diversity in experiences. These are incredibly important.
not when youre trying to kick ass and establish a succesful private practice. contacts and stability are the most important. the castle doctrine is gonna influence your professional career? lol, use that doctrine often? not having a castle doctrine doesnt mater unless you shoot someone in your home and they subsequently try to charge you or theres a subsequent civil action for damages. Pretty landscape is nice, but not unless you are successful enough to hire associates to do most of the work so that you can take a day or two off once in a great, while.
Sorry, but imho gun laws are totally irrelevant. At least for this particular question. Go (or stay ) where you know people and don't have to re learn the law, state rules for district courts, local rules for district court, judges, etc.
Sorry, but imho gun laws are totally irrelevant. At least for this particular question. Go (or stay ) where you know people and don't have to re learn the law, state rules for district courts, local rules for district court, judges, etc.
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