mljdeckard
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Logan is a nice town, I did band camp at Utah State there for three summers. (waits for snickering to subside.) Definitely on the cooler side.
Decision point. Which state to live in? CO, UT, WA, NH
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HorseSoldier
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In terms of gun culture, it's hard to beat Alaska. Anchorage has amenities and a large military population for a military-oriented law firm. Fairbanks has fewer amenities, but also has a large military population.
9MMare
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Well, you know the state obviously, and as you wrote, we are also very gun-friendly (even the W. side of the state). I guess alot depends on which state/area will be best for your business.
Good luck to you.
Good luck to you.
Not a hard choice, but since your Lic is from CO that is where you should be headed. North part of the state is nice. Any family out there, brothers, sisters, parents, uncles, aunts whatever? That would color my choice if they were still alive as to where to go.
Jim
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Take it from somebody who learned the hard way,
you need to go somewhere, plant roots, and stay there and develop your practice for 25 years or so. Gun laws should have almost nothing to do with your decision. Maybe taxes might be considered.
denver is raising property taxes so fast it'll soon take real wealth to afford to live there.
you need to go somewhere, plant roots, and stay there and develop your practice for 25 years or so. Gun laws should have almost nothing to do with your decision. Maybe taxes might be considered.
denver is raising property taxes so fast it'll soon take real wealth to afford to live there.
mljdeckard
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I will dispute that. I have lived in a state with some of the best gun laws in the nation, and then moved to California. I didn't even take my guns with me. I felt like I had been forbidden to use my seatbelt.
I have little patience for people who complain about where they live. "I hate the people here. I hate the culture here. I hate the landscape here. I hate the laws here." THEN MOVE. If gun laws is your driving factor in deciding where to live, then let it drive you. Don't move somewhere else and complain.
I have little patience for people who complain about where they live. "I hate the people here. I hate the culture here. I hate the landscape here. I hate the laws here." THEN MOVE. If gun laws is your driving factor in deciding where to live, then let it drive you. Don't move somewhere else and complain.
oneounceload
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You might also want to consider looking at Nevada - no state income tax, 85% open public land for shooting, hunting, camping, etc., good gun laws - look in northern NV if you can. I used to also live in CO, on the Western Slope in Rifle - and that area is a nice one as well
swiftak
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NH. No sales tax, no income tax. Shall issue. Expanded castle doctrine. No knife laws.
CoRoMo
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We need you here. Move here!
Still very simple. Just don't conduct a private transaction on the grounds of a gun show and it is as simple as anywhere else in the nation. FTF transactions at gunshows have to go through a FFL/4473/NICS.
Sadly, yes. But this is why we need you here!! As the California exodus continues to populate our state, we grow bluer and bluer. I'd appreciate someone who could help turn the tide or to simply cancel out another one of their votes.
Steve H
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If you don't bit a small drive look at southern Utah, Nellis AFB is just down the road in Vegas. I was born, raised and lived in So. Cal. till I retired then moved to the southern Utah mountains. Smartest move I ever made.
Wil Terry
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IMHO; There are only five to consider; ID, MT; WY, ND, and SD.
OH, and do NOT discount the importence of a strong winter as it keeps the riff-raff out.
Yes, life is wonderful !!!
And so it goes...
OH, and do NOT discount the importence of a strong winter as it keeps the riff-raff out.
Yes, life is wonderful !!!
And so it goes...
mljdeckard
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^^No shortage of snow around Flagstaff.
Despite the username, I'd say Utah. Colorado is great, don't get me wrong, the wife and I are both from here, but the few years we lived in Utah were the best. Lots of outdoors stuff, the nicest people on the planet, and the area around Logan is just incredible, like some others here have noted. We'll probably be headed that way in a few years, once the kids are out of the house and some of our obligations here fade away.
SSN Vet
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I'll plug for NH....
Realize that these are small states... so crossing lines to ME ro VT may be a daily event... so I'll comment on them as well..
NH, ME & VT all have Open Carry... and what's more... you will occasionally see people open carrying (though not frequently).
NH & ME are shall issue for Concealed carry
VT has "constitutional concealed carry" (i.e. no permit required)
NH, ME & VT all allow NFA weapons and hi caps.
NH, ME & VT all have strong hunting traditions.
NH has the best motto of all 50 states.... "Live Free or Die" and you'll frequently see the Gadston flag displayed.
In NH or ME, you can be a 20 min. drive from the ocean and a 60 min drive from the mountains (of course... these aren't the Rocky Mountains)
These are rural states for the most part.... small town living is alive and well.
It's easier for you to get an out of state MA concealed permit than it is for a MA residant to get a residen permit. But it will cost you $100/yr.
Western MA (the Berkshires) is actually beutiful country and very rural and undeveloped.
I don't care much for Boston, but I have to admit, you can walk around the city at night (let's say up to closing time) and it's a fairly safe city. Especially if you're in the vacinity of one of the big venues like the Garden or Fenway.
In general... I think people in ME, NH and VT pretty much mind their own business and though there is a often a stoic and cold exterior, I've made friends fairly easilly. While when I lived in the south, people were generally overtly courteous and friendly.... but I found that to be more of a superficial thing.... and comments like "your not from around here are you" soon followed.
NH has "The NH Advantage" which is no sales tax and no income tax. And the economy shows the benefit of both tax policy and much less micro management... that is to say, the unemployment rate is only about 5%.
I've lived and worked up here for some 20 years now and I only cross into MA probably 10 times or less each year... and most of that is for work.
Unfortunately... while NH, ME and VT used to be solidly red states.... the MA crowd discovered the lower housing prices and migrated north.... bringing their big gubment liberalism with them... Now all three are blue states.... but have large % independant voters. I was actually surprised NH went blue this last time around.
Realize that these are small states... so crossing lines to ME ro VT may be a daily event... so I'll comment on them as well..
NH, ME & VT all have Open Carry... and what's more... you will occasionally see people open carrying (though not frequently).
NH & ME are shall issue for Concealed carry
VT has "constitutional concealed carry" (i.e. no permit required)
NH, ME & VT all allow NFA weapons and hi caps.
NH, ME & VT all have strong hunting traditions.
NH has the best motto of all 50 states.... "Live Free or Die" and you'll frequently see the Gadston flag displayed.
In NH or ME, you can be a 20 min. drive from the ocean and a 60 min drive from the mountains (of course... these aren't the Rocky Mountains)
These are rural states for the most part.... small town living is alive and well.
It's easier for you to get an out of state MA concealed permit than it is for a MA residant to get a residen permit. But it will cost you $100/yr.
Western MA (the Berkshires) is actually beutiful country and very rural and undeveloped.
I don't care much for Boston, but I have to admit, you can walk around the city at night (let's say up to closing time) and it's a fairly safe city. Especially if you're in the vacinity of one of the big venues like the Garden or Fenway.
In general... I think people in ME, NH and VT pretty much mind their own business and though there is a often a stoic and cold exterior, I've made friends fairly easilly. While when I lived in the south, people were generally overtly courteous and friendly.... but I found that to be more of a superficial thing.... and comments like "your not from around here are you" soon followed.
NH has "The NH Advantage" which is no sales tax and no income tax. And the economy shows the benefit of both tax policy and much less micro management... that is to say, the unemployment rate is only about 5%.
I've lived and worked up here for some 20 years now and I only cross into MA probably 10 times or less each year... and most of that is for work.
Unfortunately... while NH, ME and VT used to be solidly red states.... the MA crowd discovered the lower housing prices and migrated north.... bringing their big gubment liberalism with them... Now all three are blue states.... but have large % independant voters. I was actually surprised NH went blue this last time around.
MachIVshooter
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The "Gun show loophole" law passed before you left, in 2000 in the wake of Columbine. It hasn't affected FTF transfers other than on the grounds of a gunshow.
Denver has their own mini AWB, similar to but less strict than the '94 federal ban. IIRC, it's mags over 20 rounds, autoloading shotguns over 5 rounds, stuff like that. Denver also has a long standing OC ban. The rest of the cities and counties in the state cannot enact their own rules; We got preemption in 2003 (Denver was granted home rule). Any local law or ordinance stricter than state or federal law is null & void. The only state law that is beyond federal law is the gun show sales law.
The pit bull bans are in effect in Denver Aurora and a few other places. Just don't live in those cities. If your dog is not an American Pit Bull Terrier, than you don't have anything to worry about anyway. There are loads of pits and other bully breeds out here in Elbert County (A 76% conservative, gun-loving county as well).
Snakes and spiders? I've only ever run across a couple praire rattlers out here in my 31 years, and they aren't particularly aggressive.
We do have black widows, of course, but a modicum of vigilance about where you go sticking your hands will prevent their bites. Recluses technically can inhabit here, but I've never heard of anyone being bitten (or even finding one that actually was a recluse, rather than one of many similar-looking benign spiders)
Even though there are a lot of lefties in Denver and a few smaller cities, the overwhelming spirit of the state is one of personal freedom and adventure. Our own Governor, a former Denver mayor, even said after the theatre shooting that more gun laws weren't the answer. Shocked the poo outta me, I tell ya.
It saddens me that we've gone blue twice now, but that's not enough for me to leave such a beautiful state. Firearms laws are really a non-issue, and it is an outdoorsman's paradise. We actually have all seasons here, but this weekend was blue skies, sunshine and 60's. Not too many other places where the summer heat is tolerable, yet you can hang out in a Tee shirt and even ride motorcycles many days in January.
The other 49% of us were dragged kicking and screaming into giving our 9 votes to him because of Denver, Boulder and a few other areas.
weisse52
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I currently live in Utah and would agree that it is a top pick. But, careful where you choose to live. If I had it to do over again I would live in Salt Lake county maybe further south. Unless you are LDS you will not find it very social in Davis county. The people are friendly, but not social.
Plenty of great cities, lots of places to shoot, lots of great state and national parks. I would advise anyone who moves to a new state to rent first till you decide what area works for you.
Plenty of great cities, lots of places to shoot, lots of great state and national parks. I would advise anyone who moves to a new state to rent first till you decide what area works for you.
denton
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Spent some happy years about 50 miles south of Reno, between Carson City and Minden/Gardnerville. Good hunting, great view of the Sierras, no income tax, low property taxes. If you're inclined, dinner and a show at Tahoe is about a 45 minute drive. It has been 25 years since I left, and things have changed, but certain parts of the state are outstanding.
I live in Davis County, Utah and call BS on the claim that if you're not LDS in Davis County, you'll be some kind of outcast.
stubbicatt
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None of the above. Move to New Mexico.
SSN Vet
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One thought to consider....
How's your Spanish?
How's your Spanish?
leadcounsel
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HUH?!?! Where am I going to snowboard in NM? NM is a clearly blue state. And where exactly am I going to make a living practicing law... NM is the poorest state in the nation.
Back on topic...
Old Dog
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Love Utah. Love New Hampshire (but, regrettably, it's on the East Coast). Colorado is nice, but Utah has everything that's good about Colorado and none of the stuff that's bad about Colorado.
Home is Washington. And, for the poster who said we can't mount suppressor to our firearms, get current with the news. We got a new law, and we can have 'em now. Now, no Class III yet -- but who knows? The rest of our gun laws are excellent (unless you want to carry into a bar and drink alcohol). The state is really red, but we have to put up with King County.
Having said all that ... I like Utah. And Montana. And Idaho. But, we don't have real winters here, either ...
Home is Washington. And, for the poster who said we can't mount suppressor to our firearms, get current with the news. We got a new law, and we can have 'em now. Now, no Class III yet -- but who knows? The rest of our gun laws are excellent (unless you want to carry into a bar and drink alcohol). The state is really red, but we have to put up with King County.
Having said all that ... I like Utah. And Montana. And Idaho. But, we don't have real winters here, either ...
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