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Deerfield/M77 10 round magazine by I.Q. Munitions

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  1. Frulk

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    I just ran across a site from a company named I. Q. Munitions out of Montana making what appears to be high quality aluminum alloy 10 round mags for the Deerfield and M77 .44 Mag

    https://www.iqmunitions.com/product/ruger-44-magnum-10-round-magazine/

    Going rate is $140 each. Kinda steep but they do look first rate and I own both rifles it’s compatible with so I’m rationalizing that the mag would only cost me $70 per rifle. :oops:

    Anybody here have any firsthand info on one? I have never seen any discussion on THR or anywhere else that I remember.

    I might drive through the town where the company is located just south of Missoula in about 3 weeks and see what I can find out.
     
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    Wow good find! I've always wondered why there wasnt a higher capacity option for these rifles. Sorry no experience to share.
     
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    Nice!
    I see they're working on the 357 mag version too. I like the flush magazine for moving around with but the longer mag would be great for the range. If it works well, i'd be ok with the price. I would hate to find out its a dud though, I'll wait until I see some reports on quality before I buy, but I will get one if they're good to go.

    Maybe ruger will take notice and make some affordable factory extended mags too. Bx-25 drum mags in 44 & 357 , for tactical operators .
     
  4. Frulk

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    10 rounds of .44 Mag in a semi-auto like the Deerfield carbine is downright formidable.
     
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    Is the standard capacity 4 or 5?
     
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    Standard Ruger Mag holds 4.
     
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    I found these back in July or August and nearly soiled myself as I had been wanting to make such a thing. My time is worth more than 140 bucks so its a pretty good deal for what it is. Put my info in for a notification when stock returned. Next batch came and went so i reinserted my info. Got an email yesterday saying they had more stock.

    I ordered one almost immediately. Even got a tracking number already.

    I own a 99/44 Deerfield and a 96/44. Ive never had an issue with either factory mag in either rifle, though they are different part numbers. Hopefully this ten rounder will work in the 96 lever gun as well as the deerfield.
     
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    Damn. I realized that opening this thread is about to cost me $280 + S&H. I don't need these. I want them.
     
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    Can only buy one this batch... So only 150 shipped.

    Sorry to inform you of the mags, of the limit, and for your lighter wallet!

    They are still in the R&D/testing phase for the 77/357 model, for those interested.
     
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    I have one on the way. Was on the waiting list and received e/mail today with a very detailed description of the product and recommendations to ensure the mag operates correctly.
     
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    Now am kinda wishing I had the Deerfield instead of the earlier tube feed version. Sure would be nice if Ruger brought this one back.
     
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    I'm watching for the 357 version. I'm not a guy who needs big magazines but a few more than 5 is useful . my factory mags have been great, waiting for the report when you guys get a chance to test these out.
     
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    Yeah I had always wanted more than 4 rounds just for plinking. A semi auto with only 4 rounds isnt very "fun". We have a 5 round limit for hunting deer, so its just for fun really. And for a capable SD/HD carbine, if needed. Also rounds out the M1 Carbine look.

    They say that there are feeding issues when using ammo under 1.60". I suspect projectile shape also plays a role in this. Not a big deal for a reloader.

    I almost want a 77/44 just to complete the trio. My only 77s are in 220 swift, 6mm Rem, and 204.

    My mag is a christmas present so i can even fondle it until then.
     
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    My magazine arrived on Monday. I had to resist the temptation to open the box. At least shipping was quick! Ordered Wednesday, got it Monday. Pretty good for MT to KS. Especially for the postal service.
     
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    Received mine 2 days ago. Way too tight to fit into mag well of Deerfield. Appears to be well made and of high quality. Took the gun apart and weighing my options. Haven’t tried it in the M77/44 but suspect the same will happen.
     
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    Grabbed a cup of coffee and went to reloading room and tried the I.Q Munitions Mag in the M77/44. Just some light touching on the sides of the Mag from the wood stock. Mag went right in and I cycled the 3 rounds of LRNFP 240’s flawlessly.

    Tonight after work I’ll post some pics of the I.Q Mag and both guns and some other info. I’ll see how the M77 handles a full 10 round Mag.

    I’m still considering options for the Deerfield.
     
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    Where is it too tight on the deerfield? Just the wood?
     
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    Yup. But significantly tighter on the sides. I’m sure this varies from gun to gun as there’s prob a few hundreds difference in the stock Mag wells being milled out. They gun was in production for some years.

    I’ve disassembled it and if you hold the stock upside down and look into the Mag well the right side well wall (which would be the left if the gun was shouldered) has more wood than the left. That appears to be by design as a part of the action rests on a lip/shelf there.

    The I.Q Mag is not an exact copy of the shape of the original Mag. The originals appear to taper slightly towards the front. The IQ is a straight sided rectangle. There are other very minor differences such as feeding ramp scalloping profile.

    Also, the bullet angle in the IQ Mag seems to point more up than the stock ones when one is loaded.

    So far I’m happy that it appears to fit and function in the M77 just fine. Gives it a scaled down Ruger Scout rifle look.

    And again. This Mag is a well made piece of CNC milled bar stock that looks high quality and really is attractive when in the gun. Cheap definitely is not the word one would use to describe its build or looks.

    My options if I want to use it in the Deerfield are to:

    1: Reduce the stock until it fits.
    2: Emory board the sides of the Mag until it fits. This will remove the anodizing which is something that doesn’t concern me as that part of the Mag is in the well and won’t bee seen. I think there’s enough metal to facilitate this.

    I will only do one of those after I’ve had a chance to confirm that the Mag runs fine when topped off with the correct length round and fully loaded.
     
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    Meh wood is easy to remove. Id rather inlet the wood than remove the anodizing. And yeah, every rifle is different.

    It is still IMHO almost 'prototype' magazine. From what i read, they are willing to help with any issues of feeding and fitment. But from what ive seen, the quality looks top notch.

    Ive been wanting to refinish the stock on it anyways... I hate the factory ruger finish.
     
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    I just took the reloading calibers to the Mag and it does in fact taper slightly in the front as the OEMs do. Not really readily apparent to the naked eye. It appears to hang up towards the rear of of the Mag during insertion.
     
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    I had already disassembled the gun the other night so running the mag through the magwell cutout in the stock still produced considerable resistance. I put the trigger work back on the action and inserted the mag and it seemed to work as intended, locked up and removed without a problem.

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    Decided to use one of the flat woodworking files to enlarge the magwell by just a little and put the stock in a large bench vice and went at it. As an ex journeyman cabinet maker I know my way around a file and was comfortable with what needed doing. Looking at one of the sides it appeared there was some chatter from the power tool used to cut the original opening....it had barely perceivable waviness . I flattened it out and stopped occasionally to insert the mag until I was satisfied with the resistance.

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    Reassembled gun. Inserted mag and seated it a few times. It's still somewhat finicky to get the rear latch to pop back up into place but with a little wiggling it happens. It's not enough to bother me in that sense. I've reduced the stock and it no longer requires excessive force to insert the mag.

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    In the M77/44 it fits like OEM. Goes in easy/sets and locks up without any issues and removes just as easily. As I mentioned earlier the mag in the M77 cycled the 3 rounds I put in it to test it w/o issues.

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    I will note that the mag is exceptionally sturdy and weighs 14.5 oz's empty. If you by chance you weren't able to kill your intended target with 10 rounds of .44 Mag (11 if you have one in the chamber) you could remove the mag and use it to bludgeon it to death.

    At $140 or $150 its pricey. However, its built to never wear out and is the only option currently for extended mags in these two guns. Plus I like supporting a small American business in these trying times. Their e-mail notifying me of mag availability was a very detailed one with a number of suggestions in case an owner ran into problems up to and including contacting them directly to discuss the problem. I like that kind of approach to customer support. All in all I'm happy with it.

    Next I'm going to try and get out Sunday to function test the mag in both guns at the range. I need to make a few Deerfield specific rounds to shoot. Gun doesn't like lead being run through gas system. Need to put together some XTP 240 grainers with 2400 that I know will cycle the action without fail.
     
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    Ooh i hope my deerfield is in a beechwood stock too, and not birch! I have a stainless 10/22 that came in a beechwood stock from the same time as the DF was produced. Looks great sanded down with some danish oil on it.
     
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    Mine is tight and takes a bit of finesse to get it to load. It IS stiff and when I shot it and I had to jiggle/tap the charging handle a few times to get it to load. Only shot about 15 rounds through mine because, well, 44 mag ain't cheap. I'm on the fence about keeping mine. I sent it to Gary of IQ Metals after my first shooting session was B A D. It seems Deerfields are, or mine at least, very finicky with ammo. I bought some reloads on the cheap but weak and would not cycle the action at all. Gary said mine was in excellent condition, but the ammo was bad. With better, "full magnum" ammunition it cycled maybe 80% of the time. Gary checked mine out and reinstalled the extended paddle release, which still won't just drop the 4-round magazines most of time. When I got mine back the release worked maybe 75% of the time and now almost never drops it clean. As for the 10-round, it is too tight to drop when I hit the paddle release, but is easy enough to remove.

    I guess I'm used to fully functioning firearms that work every time. This was a semi-impulse buy and I could sell on GB and get almost all of my money back. I just added a Weigand rail and a Holosun 510c optic, which I so far am impressed with. If it fusses with my inbound Hornady Leverevolution I'm going to sell. So, this griping aside, anyone have any advice on improving the reliability?
     
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    Couple of weeks ago I finally had the opportunity to take the M77 and the I.Q Munitions mag to the local range and give it a work out. Prior to that as posted above I played around with the Deerfield and removed some slight amount of wood from the mag well to see if the mag would fit better. It does remove a little easier because there's almost no tension on the sides of the mag now but the issue is rocking it back and forth to remove it. Which takes considerable effort and is frustrating...so I decided not to use the mag for the Deerfield which was the PRIMARY gun I bought it for.

    Back to the M77. The I.Q. Mag goes in and out of the M77 much easier and from the git-go the M77 did not require removal of any wood in the mag well because of a tight fit.

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    I loaded it up with 10 240 grain LRNFP rounds and fired it flawlessly. Max COL was 1.640. No failures. Same for the second batch of ten.

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    On the 3rd mag somewhere down inside the follower got hung up. I noticed while loading the rounds on this 3rd mag that the bullets weren't pointing exactly at the same angle as the previous mags were. Didn't think anything of it. Anyway, had to tap the mag a little to get the follower and rest of rounds to pop up to top of mag. Checked the rounds and noticed almost imperceivably tiny burs on the rim of the brass on a couple of cases.

    3rd full mag were follower hung up somewhere inside the body:

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    Mags 4-8 I was more deliberate about pushing the rounds into the mag and ensured they were seated to the rear and pointed up like the previous mags which gave me no problems. All mags worked as intended. No hang-ups/no issues/no failure to eject etc.

    BUT...now the mags became harder to remove from the mag well. Not sure what that was caused by. The first 3 mags after emptying dropped out just fine but they became progressively more difficult (finicky is actually the better word) to remove.

    My overall assessment: If I was to use ONE word to describe the mag it would be ' temperamental'. This mag is a 98%+ there product. Its trying to bridge the gap of functionality for a couple of different guns which were in production (one still is) for a number of years.

    I have 4-6 Ruger mags which drop out of both rifles without issues. I.Q. Mag needs to make that happen with their product. I WAS able to get the mag to run flawlessly once I paid attention to how I loaded it it. It's pricey for what it is at $150 per unit. They made 200 or so this run and that works out to approx $30,000 on that production run. Its a small machine shop and after paying the staff their labor, taxes, buying the alloy for the product etc. they're not getting rich. The owner is willing to speak to buyers to assist with issues. I've not taken them up on that.

    Since I managed to make it cycle flawlessly I'll use it for the M77 and will make sure I load it correctly. It's a perfect rig for elk camp leaning on a tree or plinking in the desert. I never intended it for use in a self defense role.

    After 70 shots of 240 grain .44 mag @ 50 yards the 1X2 finally gave out having been chewed down by the fragments of the impacting bullets. All shots standing.

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    Good write up,
    I kind of thought there could be some minor technical issues, your feedback could likely help them figure it out.
    Magazines are tough, even the best companies can struggle with their own magazines. Hopefully a little use will get it smoothed out. Over the years I've learned that most of my guns prefer deliberate and kind of rough handling , maybe this mag just needs to get bounced around some and maybe a little lubricant of some kind inside? Mags for rimmed cartridges are a tall order.
     
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