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If bear isn't a concern I carry 10mm Double Tap 200 grain XTP. If bear were a concern I would carry either Double Taps 200 grain FMJ or hard cast 10mm load.
Defense against animals: HP vs FMJ ?
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Keepin' critters off ya
depends on what the critters are. Growing up within spittin' distance from the Canadian border in the Rockies we didn't carry anything under .40 caliber. I've had runins with two grizzlies over the course of my life. The first, I was going to let him have six 250grWFNGC bullets at 1250fps from a S&W M57 4-inch. The second would have gotten 5x 420grFNGC bullets at 1250fps from a .475Linebaugh. Lucky for me and my partner neither bear carried through with its threat. I carry something big and powerful yet can be packed in a regular holster. I don't want to have to lay the rig down to pull some long barrelled shootin' iron out when I have to confront something.
depends on what the critters are. Growing up within spittin' distance from the Canadian border in the Rockies we didn't carry anything under .40 caliber. I've had runins with two grizzlies over the course of my life. The first, I was going to let him have six 250grWFNGC bullets at 1250fps from a S&W M57 4-inch. The second would have gotten 5x 420grFNGC bullets at 1250fps from a .475Linebaugh. Lucky for me and my partner neither bear carried through with its threat. I carry something big and powerful yet can be packed in a regular holster. I don't want to have to lay the rig down to pull some long barrelled shootin' iron out when I have to confront something.
Hmmmmmmmm....
Interesting thoughts,
but I'll add this:
If carrying an auto, let's just say for arguements sake 9mm+P or above, and let's also just say yours has a mag capacity of over 7 rounds
And you have the time to see or hear or even SENCE the bear is approaching rapidly, anything over 5 or more hits from said gun should either kill said animal or persuade it to alter it's course...this provided you are able to get at least 5 good hits, on the move,[cause I don't know about you, but I'm not standin there facing off Mr. Bear] moving most likely on a flanking angle rather than back pedaling; [can you say trip over something and become bear food] not turning and running.
Now switch gears to a wheel gun; 357 or better, otherwise you deserve to be eaten.
My choice when hunting the bear laden woods of VT is a Smith Mountain gun in 45colt. Choice of bullets is always hardcast lead, usually a 265grain Keith bullet moving about 850-950 fps. Always 2 speed loaders, in case you lose one.
Seems bear vs. human threads are on alot of forums. Having only come across two bears in my 20 years of hunting, the first ran off when I came over the rise and he[she] spotted me, the other, turned towards me, bluff charged and then ran after I fired a shot in the vicinity of the bear. Both were at estimated distances of say 50 yards. The shot did not come from a handgun, but from a lever [45colt] with 6 rounds behind the one that hit the tree by the bear.
No need to kill what is not being hunted or truly not a threat.
my .02
Interesting thoughts,
but I'll add this:
If carrying an auto, let's just say for arguements sake 9mm+P or above, and let's also just say yours has a mag capacity of over 7 rounds
And you have the time to see or hear or even SENCE the bear is approaching rapidly, anything over 5 or more hits from said gun should either kill said animal or persuade it to alter it's course...this provided you are able to get at least 5 good hits, on the move,[cause I don't know about you, but I'm not standin there facing off Mr. Bear] moving most likely on a flanking angle rather than back pedaling; [can you say trip over something and become bear food] not turning and running.
Now switch gears to a wheel gun; 357 or better, otherwise you deserve to be eaten.
My choice when hunting the bear laden woods of VT is a Smith Mountain gun in 45colt. Choice of bullets is always hardcast lead, usually a 265grain Keith bullet moving about 850-950 fps. Always 2 speed loaders, in case you lose one.
Seems bear vs. human threads are on alot of forums. Having only come across two bears in my 20 years of hunting, the first ran off when I came over the rise and he[she] spotted me, the other, turned towards me, bluff charged and then ran after I fired a shot in the vicinity of the bear. Both were at estimated distances of say 50 yards. The shot did not come from a handgun, but from a lever [45colt] with 6 rounds behind the one that hit the tree by the bear.
No need to kill what is not being hunted or truly not a threat.
my .02
joeoim
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Jacketed Hollow Point
Alan, I've killed a lot of sick or crippled cattle (and 2 Horses) and several dogs, and I prefer semi jacketed hollow points.
My experience has been that wad cutters and full metal jackets just punch little holes. The hollow points do more damage. Better kills.
I was shooting 158 gr 38 special +p and 158gr .357 handloads.
I don't have any experience with lighter gr bullets.
Joe
Alan, I've killed a lot of sick or crippled cattle (and 2 Horses) and several dogs, and I prefer semi jacketed hollow points.
My experience has been that wad cutters and full metal jackets just punch little holes. The hollow points do more damage. Better kills.
I was shooting 158 gr 38 special +p and 158gr .357 handloads.
I don't have any experience with lighter gr bullets.
Joe
joeoim
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Alan, I also buy semi-jacketed soft nose and seem to have good luck with them.
The key of course is shot placement.
I have a ss Security Six 6" that I have carried and used a lot. What a good gun.
How long a barrel on your SP?
Joe
The key of course is shot placement.
I have a ss Security Six 6" that I have carried and used a lot. What a good gun.
How long a barrel on your SP?
Joe
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