Defense for mag and lock and guns for home protection - 13 yo shootout with Burglar

[usmarine0352_2005]

Here's why the more bullets one has at the time of self-defense is important and luckily there wasn't a triggerlock on the gun without a key.


You'd think that after the initial shots the burglar would have just ran away. Instead this one shot back.


The cops wouldn't have arrived in time and this suspect was obviously willing to kill.




According to some anti-gunners these cases almost 'never' happen. Apparently they don't read the news.


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/1...used-mother-gun-to-kill-burglar/?intcmp=hpbt3

Authorities say South Carolina teen used mother's gun to kill burglar

Published November 11, 2015FoxNews.com

A South Carolina teenager left home alone used his mother's gun to shoot and kill a burglar, authorities said Tuesday. The boy said he heard a vehicle pull up behind his house, then heard someone trying get inside a few minutes later. At that point, the teen picked up his mother's gun and went to the back door of the home. Authorities said the boy told them he fired the gun through the door and the person outside fired back. The boy fired several more shots, apparently wounding the suspect. According to Fox Carolina, neighbors reported hearing gunshots before seeing a gray car pull out near the home and speed away.

The deceased suspect was identified as 31-year-old Lamar Brown. The car's driver, 28-year-old Ira Bennett, was arrested charged him with first-degree burglary and possession of a firearm during the commission of a violent crime. The affidavit said Bennett tried to explain the bullet holes in his car by claiming that someone had fired at the vehicle on an interstate.

 

[Davek1977]

How did the CAR get shot up, when the boy supposedly simply shot through the door? Or, as the suspect was fleeing, did he exit the home and continue to fire on the car? At that point, the claim of "self-defense" becomes less of a certainty, as it is hard to justify shooting someone in the process of attempting to exit the scene....

 

[Resto Guy]

The teenager was using a .45, so my assumption is that the car was parked behind the criminal and it caught some of the rounds that exited the closed door.

 

[Plan2Live]

The teenager was using a .45, so my assumption is that the car was parked behind the criminal and it caught some of the rounds that exited the closed door.

Are you suggesting only .45 rounds are capable of over-penetration?

 

[MechAg94]

Fox Carolina reported that the family spent Tuesday night elsewhere, claiming they didn't feel safe in the home.

I guess that feeling is not unusual, but it seems the immediate problem is solved as the burglar won't be back.

I hope the kid deals with it okay.

 

[Tirod]

No, the article says the .45 was recovered in the area where the alleged perp was trying to gain entry. No statement was made about the caliber of the holes in the car or perp.

Why was that house chosen and what was inside that attracted the thieves? How did they know?

We probably won't find out, the news cycle will move on.

 

[Resto Guy]

Quote:
The teenager was using a .45, so my assumption is that the car was parked behind the criminal and it caught some of the rounds that exited the closed door.

Are you suggesting only .45 rounds are capable of over-penetration?


No. so if you're looking for an argument you can move on.

Just read the Yahoo news account and it stated that the boy shot at the fleeing car. Whatever the truth is regarding that detail, I doubt the boy will see charges. Now if he lived in another part of the country..........

 

[joem1945]

Well at least he saved the taxpayers some money cause one perp is graveyard DEAD!! Good shoot'in.

 

[Plan2Live]

A violent perp is off the streets permanently and no innocent person was physically harmed in the process. That's a good thing. But there are several elements of this scenario that were handled incorrectly from shooting through the door to shooting at a fleeing car. I don't see this event being one to hold up as a counter argument to the "keep your guns away from children" crowd. I certainly won't be using it when talking to the anti-gun crowd.

 

[Plan2Live]

Are you suggesting only .45 rounds are capable of over-penetration?


No. so if you're looking for an argument you can move on.

No, I wasn't looking for an argument. I was trying to understand how the caliber reference factored into your conclusion. That's all.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

From another article:



http://nbc4i.com/2015/11/11/13-year-old-shoots-kills-burglary-suspect-in-s-c/

Several neighbors said they ducked for cover and hid behind chairs as shots rang out.

John Griffin says he and his girlfriend were sitting in their driveway on Elderwood Drive Tuesday afternoon when he heard gunfire from a neighbor’s yard.
Griffin described the shooting, “We heard like four or five gunshots coming from the back and then a car came creeping from the backyard. It went slow and then the dude went in the front door and he just started shooting his gun, so I ducked down and she ran in the house.”

Sounds like the kid heard them through the backdoor and shot and then the perp went to the front door and started shooting through it.


If the kid shot back then that's why the car might have been hit. Too little info to say for sure.

 

[gbran]

As much as like like 5 round J-Frames, this is why I don't carry one on a daily basis.

 

[WestKentucky]

As much as like like 5 round J-Frames, this is why I don't carry one on a daily basis.

As much as I like 6 shot revolvers, shotguns, etc, this is why I have an m9 by the bed with an extra loaded mag or three handy.

 

[Plan2Live]

Update....Law Enforcement has released the 911 transcripts of this event. When asked by the dispatcher what type of gun he has the 13 year old tells the dispatcher a Glock 17.

http://www.wistv.com/story/30503139/officials-release-911-calls-after-teen-shoots-burglary-suspect

I'm guessing from previous comments here that's one of those modified Glock 17s that chamber 45acp.

 

[Skribs]

Freedom is about having the right to make your own choice, good or bad as it is. I don't drink, but I think drinking should be legal. Similarly, people should have the right to decide how (or if) they lock up their guns and ammo, and how much gun is enough gun to have.

 

[sequins]

This kid gets it. I wonder how much range time he has, if any. Just shooting is easy but returning fire is something else. That's a pretty hardcore kid to commit to the fight.

And IMO all the things he did "wrong" are only wrong from the perspective of defending yourself from a jury, tactically they aren't wrong at all. Firing through a door might look bad in court but if you know they're on the other side of the door but they don't know where you are at inside the house you're at a huge advantage. I doubt a jury trial even factored into the kids decision.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

This kid gets it. I wonder how much range time he has, if any. Just shooting is easy but returning fire is something else. That's a pretty hardcore kid to commit to the fight.

And IMO all the things he did "wrong" are only wrong from the perspective of defending yourself from a jury, tactically they aren't wrong at all. Firing through a door might look bad in court but if you know they're on the other side of the door but they don't know where you are at inside the house you're at a huge advantage. I doubt a jury trial even factored into the kids decision.

What's weird is the mother said in an article that he'd never handled a gun. So I don't know if that's true or if the kid learned from watching tv.

 

[Resto Guy]

PlayStation.

 

[psyfly]

From reading the first article, looks as if the "Colt .45" may have been left behind by the late (alleged) wanna-be home invader.

Cool-headed 13 y-o. Hope he doesn't suffer many ill after-effects.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

I do not see the point behind some of the speculation, especially since I followed the link and read the story.

Spec: "How did the CAR get shot up, when the boy supposedly simply shot through the door?"

If bullets can simply penetrate a door, they can simply hit anything outside that door, including a burglar or his car parked in the drive or on the street. I think the kid and his neighbors are lucky he only hit the burglar and the getaway car.

Spec: "... Yahoo news account ... stated that the boy shot at the fleeing car ..."

Story: "According to Fox Carolina, neighbors reported hearing gunshots before seeing a gray car pull out near the home and speed away."

[sarcasm]Sensational lies: it's what sells commercial time.[/sarcasm] Charitably, a reporter with a crush deadline to meet conflated shots fired and car speeding away with shots fired AS car sped away. My personal suspicion is the national new media spin any gun-related story toward the support-gun-control meme.

Spec: "Why was that house chosen and what was inside that attracted the thieves? How did they know?"

Me: Why was my house burglarized, what did I have to attract thieves, how did they know? The local PD burglary detectives believed it was possible the burglars saw a home with no one at home and struck a target of opportunity. It happens that way more often than not, according to police questioning of burglars.

 

[BP Hunter]

If we are talking about magazine capacity, listen to this. About 1 week ago, about a few miles from where I live, a group of 5 men broke into a couple's home and maced them. They didn't take anything and the couple was apparently unharmed. For that reason, even at home I carry a pistol with high capacity.

 

[usmarine0352_2005]

If we are talking about magazine capacity, listen to this. About 1 week ago, about a few miles from where I live, a group of 5 men broke into a couple's home and maced them. They didn't take anything and the couple was apparently unharmed. For that reason, even at home I carry a pistol with high capacity.

Good point. So many people thing burglar, singular, when a lot of times it's burglar, multiple.

 

[Ignition Override]

When my car was burglarized, one of the guys stood by as a lookout.
They were seen by somebody.

When homes are burglarized, many of the "pros" use what they call a "lookout".
Most of you realize this, but many people are unaware of this standard operating procedure.

 

[Deltaboy1984]

Good Shooting by that Young Man.

 

[Aikibiker]

RE the kid's commitment to the fight.

There is a reason child soldiers are so scary. It isn't because of their great skill and ability. It is because they will kill with much greater frequency and ferocity than adults. And they don't really fear death as much.