defensive dog couldn't get onto his hind feet this morning

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Stalin (my Jindo dog) is a huge part of my HD, and this morning before I left to teach I realized that he couldn't get up properly on his hind legs. after he finally staggered to his feet he was limping and his left hind leg was retracted.

what's happening?? i'm so worried and just last night we went running with no problems.

this is horrible!

i've notied that he sits funny before, but this is really bad...
 
Won't be able to tell until an X-ray, but sounds like there is a chance of hip displaysia. It could just be a sprain in a ligament however. If something was broken he wouldn't put weight on it at all. If it persists, go to the vet.
 
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mods, thanks for not deleting this post just yet

this is the dog was supposed to go hunting with me, this is the dog that never barks until a threat is clear, who tolerates kids and adults but not drunks....

it makes me so sad to look at him under my table, not having peed or pooped all day, unable to get up without apparently severe pain, just lying there looking at me like a very sick dog...

i just saw him drag himself into a corner.

i dont want to take him to emergency as i can't afford emergency bills (and I don't knwo how his insurance will handle it, never used it before) and I can barely move him as it is. I'm hoping he'll get better after a night of sleep, but I don't know what to do...
 
Take your dog to the vet, now. As the pet owner you are responsible for that dog's well being. If it's in severe pain it needs medical attention. Cut back on some things to pay for it if you have to. You must not be too terribly bad off if you have internet access. The dog can't take himself to the doctor, thats your job.

-Kevin
 
What they said.

There's such a thing as a genuine emergency, and you're very much describing one.
 
Yup-you have a moral and ethical duty as an owner to get help for your dog (to say nothing as a friend). It's time for you to be loyal to and for him, just as he has been to you.

You mention you don't know how his insurance will handle it, but that means you do have some kind of insurance. What the heck are you waiting for? Many vets will offer some payment plans if any required treatment gets that far, and possibly other assistance. There also maybe a Humane Society hospital that may be near enough to go to as well. Point is: there's options, and you must investigate them.

Letting him sit there one more night may cause irrepairable harm at worse, and at best, a whole additional day/night of what clearly is significant pain and suffering. Unnecessarily I don't hesitate to add.

Do it.

You owe it to him to get him looked at ASAP at the very least. Decide what's best afterwards, but get him looked at now.

Chris
 
At the very least take a towel and sling it under his belly to take him outside for comfort.

I agree this dog needs to go to the vet. Aside from hips it could also be wobbles, a deteriorating condition of the back. I've only seen it in Dobermans, but only a vet will know for sure.

Good luck to both of you.
 
I know this is a little late...but, I strongly agree with the above posts!

A dog who is unable or unwilling to defecate or urinate is in serious trouble.

You could be dealing with: Dislocated hip, which can often be fixed easily if done early...the longer you wait, the higher the risk of losing the leg due to a "pinched" artery, depriving the limb of circulation, and possibly causing permanent nerve damage. Or, a fracture, which is incredibly painful. A spinal column injury...again, a delay in treatment is very bad. He may have blown a knee joint...I've had this happen with one of my current dogs.

Long and short of it is, the guys who have commented on your duty to take this dog in are absolutely on the money. You cannot take an animal into your home, and expect never to have this kind of trouble. You cannot allow a dog to suffer. Any dog that is in too much discomfort to even attempt to evacuate, needs to be seen, now. If you cannot afford treatment, or a payment plan, rather than let the animal suffer, you can afford the drastic final treatment that would end this suffering. No question.

Let us know what you find out, and good luck to you and your dog. I know how hard it is to deal with a sick and injured canine friend.
 
2 or three things come to mind

a couple minor, a couple more serious, and even though I do alot of my own vet stuff (shots, etc.) all the possibilities REQUIRE a trip to the vet...Now, IF he can still get around, AND doesn't seem to be in pain, I MIGHT wait a day and see if it improves....You said you took him running, and he may simply have pulled a tendon or something(seen it many times with working dogs).

As far as cost, well you don't want my opinion...I once spent $6000 on one of my dogs...took 2 years to pay it off....But, he's lived 7 more years...Sadly he's not gonna be with me much longer, as he is now having difficulty walking as well.
 
I almost cannot believe what I am reading! You have some sort of (?health?)insurance for this dog and you have not yet taken it to a vet because you are not sure if the insurance will cover it. This is your home defense/watch/guard dog, your hunting buddy over whose pain you are so saddened and you will not take it to a vet because you are worried about the bills? If the dog was old, very old, and likely dying I ight have another viewpoint, but this sounds like an acute injury or illness not due to old age. You need to take this dog to a vet post haste. Even if it looks better tomorrow you should go to a vet with the dog to have a checkup. Need some moolah, do you have PayPal? I'll donate a little to help you out if you are that bad off, but only to have the dog checked out. Yet I sure would like to first hear that the so called insurance did not cover the expense.

Flabergasted,
Glenn B
 
Dogs who are showing the signs of their hip displaysia will often sit funny. However it seems like you would have seem some earlier warning signs before he just couldn't get up..limps or weird walks and stuff.

Did you take a close look all up and down his leg and at his toenails and on the pads of his feet?

Also, try going up and down his leg and hips gently squeezing and slowly applying pressure with each squeeze and see if any place seems especially tender. You may be able to start figuring out what the problem is yourself.

brad cook
 
take the dog to the vet... no home remedies, just get him better! you wont be able to forgive yourself if he dies because of neglect...
 
One night last year my 125 # Malamute couldn't get his hind quarters up either. He screamed when I lifted him. I gave him Tylenol and got him to the vet first thing next morning.

Since he was 10 years old, I was already grieving.

Vet said it wasn't hip displasia -- that would have shown itself much earlier. Just arthritis from old age. Prescribed pain medicine and condroitin.

Well the dog healed up! It may be that he had injured his hip or back but it didn't show in any way we could see.

Thankfully, after a week or 10 days, the old boy was as good as he ever was.

About a month ago, he again seemed to be in pain when he lifted his hind-quarters and I gave him more Tylenol. Went away in a day.

So we were lucky.

But he had no trouble relieving himself.



If your dog simply doesn't want to rise due to the pain, help him up yourself and get him to the yard.


But if he cannot relieve himself, then as others have said, he's in very bad shape and you MUST get him to a vet ASAP.

If he's got something serious and you cannot afford the treatment, then euthanize him. But please don't just let him suffer.

Best of luck with him.

matis
 
Silverlance: Keep us updated on how your Jindo is doing. Hope its nothing major.

I want to caution all pet owners to be VERY paranoid with giving medications ment for humans to our pets. Some substances that are benign to us are lethal to them. Chocolate is one that is well known for dogs, but there are others. Tylenol has some toxic effects in cats and dogs at the right doses. See here for a starting point.
 
update

Stalin normally pees in the yard a bit when I'm at work, and pees more when I get home.

But he's sort of well known for his tendency to not pee for a long time; when he was rescued two months ago he didn't pee for 48 hours.

This not being able to get up easily thing, however, has me really worried. I called vets around my area but they all told me that the doctors had left for the day.

So, I am going to take tomorrow morning off and take him to the vet as soon as it opens.

It will have been nearly 24 hours since I noticed something wrong; hopefully that will not be too late.

Currently, he is sleeping on a pile of blankets and pillows with a bowl of water and food next to him. At any moment he can walk five feet out the door and relieve himself (i don't know if he has already). He had about five ounces of boiled tri-tip for dinner, and then I carried him outside to help him pee. He didn't, just kind of stood there. It didn't seem like he was having trouble, either, but regardless this is not good.

I didn't think earlier today that he wouldn't be able to pee, I just figured that he had leg problems. Now I'm really worried and kicking myself for not going to a vet right away.

I'm going to call a few places and look for an emergency vet, but I don't know how that is going to work out. My policy hasn't kicked in yet and I know they will try to say that since I haven't sent them a physical report (i've only had the dog for a little over two months, and he's been going to the hospitol for a autoimmune disorder so his immune system couldn't handle shots), but I am prepared to pay what it takes. The problem is that the nearest one might be farther away than I can take him in his present condition.

please wish me the best of luck.
 
reupdate

he's walking aroudn fine and peeing. still hasn't pooped this morning, but he's up and about.

won't let me carry him anymore (good, cause he weights 75 lbs)

vet appt. at 9:30.
sigh*
 
!!! final dog update !!!

looks like Stinky will be going hunting after all and still scares intruders

as of right now he is fine, running about chasing the cat, eating, peeing, pooping...

went to the vet, they poked prodded and peeled him, and said he's fine other than the skin disorder...

wierd!!

the doc also said that one shouldn't jump the gun on hip displasia and try to put all sorts of crap into the dog as well as a battery of xrays because the "treatment" could be more damaging than the disease.

so he said that I should disregard the occasional limping as long as he gets better. said it could be a muscle cramp (i DID run him for quite some time) or as another poster said, muscle tear.

very very weird.... this dog has run his head straight into steel bars and not been bothered the least, but a bit of a muscle cramp turns him into a baby that needs to be carried...
 
I've got a 5 year old golden that has minor hip displasyia (or however you spell it). She had a problem very similiar to what you're describing (unable to lift her butt off the ground). The dr. put her on some form of anti-inflammatory and she goes 5 miles with me every morning now. I know she won't probably have as long/healthy of a life as a normal dog because of the displasya but she's happy now and that's about the best you can hope for for a dog.

I'll keep my fingers crossed that yours gets better.

Have a good one,
Dave
 
Good for you for taking him to the vet. Since they can't communicate any better than we can you have to go with "He just don't act right" when deciding to take you furry family members in to the doc.

Whenever "Stinky" needs a hot pack after a hard workout take a towel and wet it and wring it out. Microwave until "oww, oww, oww" hot to the touch and put it in a plastic bag and wrap that in a single layer of towel. Apply to the critters sore muscle area.

The critter may be 2 or 4 legged. :D
 
I have an eight-year old Golden Retriever that will occassionally limp for a day every now and then. He's done this for the past few years. We took him to the vet the first time where it was determined to be just soreness from normal activity. When he does limp it looks like he's lame and will probably never walk right again! I think he's a bit of a ham (my wife calls him "The Actor") because he certainly enjoys the attention he receives during these episodes.

We give him an aspirin and he always snaps out of it by the next day.

Of course, straight to the vet he goes if it ever looks like it may be more serious than normal or of longer duration.

This may be something you see re-occurring over the years.
 
Rather than say something else, I'll post this-

Lakota Native Legend

When the world was created, First Man and First Woman struggled to stay
alive and warm through the first winter. First Dog struggled also.

Deep in the winter, First Dog gave birth to her pups. Each night, she
huddled in the brush of the forest, longingly watching the fire which kept
First Man and First Woman warm.

First Winter was severe, so cold that First Dog dared not leave her pups
to search for food to fill her own belly, fearing that her pups would freeze
to death in her absence. She curled around them, but the wind was bitter. Her
belly shrank with hunger, and soon she had no milk. The smallest pup
perished, and First Dog felt her own life draining away as she struggled
to care for the remaining pups. Fearing for the fate of the others, she knew
she had no choice but to approach the fire and ask First Woman and First
Man to share their food and the fire's warmth.

Slowly, she crept to the fire and spoke to First Woman who was heavy with
child. "I am a mother," said First Dog, "and soon you will be a mother
too.
I want my little ones to survive, just as you will want your little one to
survive. So I will ask you to make a pact."

First Woman and First Man listened. "I am about to die. Take my pups. You
will raise them and call them Dog. They will be your guardians. They will
alert you to danger, keep you warm, guard your camp, and even lay down
their life to protect your life and the lives of your children. They will be
companions to you and all your generations, never leaving your side,
as long as Mankind shall survive. In return, you will share your food and bring them inside for companionship and
the warmth of your fire. You will treat my children with love and
kindness, and tend to them if they become ill, just as if they were born from your
own belly. And if they are in pain, you will take a sharp knife to their
throat and end their misery. In exchange for this, you will have the loyalty of
my children and their offspring until the end of time."

First Man and First Woman agreed. First Dog went to her nest in the brush,
and with the last of her strength, one by one, she brought her pups to the
fire. As she did so, First Woman gave birth to First Child, wrapped her in
Rabbit skins, and nestled First Child among the pups by the fireside.
First Dog lay down by the fire, licked her pups, then walked away to die under
the stars.

Before she disappeared into the darkness, she turned and spoke once more
to First Man, "My children will honor the pact for all generations. But if
Man breaks this pact, if you or your children's children deny even one Dog
food, warmth, a kind word or a merciful end, your generations will be plagued
with war, hunger, and disease, and so shall this remain until the pact is
honored again by all Mankind." With this, First Dog entered the night and returned in spirit to the Creator.
 
We have a 6 yo female GSD and she has beend showing signs of dysplasia since she was 3. She is able to walk, run, etc. just fine, but she loathes stairs and won't jump on our bed anymore. We don't let her get overweight, but we resigned ourselves a year or so ago that she is probably going to have a reduced life span (2-3 years more max). We also decided that after her next birthday (March 13) we will just make her as comfortable as possible, but hip replacements and similar are out.

Our vet pretty much agrees with us.

W
 
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