bikemutt
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IMO, the treatment you've received is deplorable, a new gun dealer is in your future.
Delay status on a 45 pistol.
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Jlr2267
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Why do you need to wait? Surely you did not pay them already?? If I was told no sale until they get a proceed...I'd tell them no sale, *ever* to me and go elsewhere.
medalguy
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NM does not use a CHL to bypass a NICS check just FYI. The delay is usually only three days and the dealer CAN complete the sale if they do not receive a deny response. I don't think they normally call back after 3 days on a delay.
I agree, a new dealer is in your future, or should be. I'm also in Albuquerque, and I'm sending you a PM.
I agree, a new dealer is in your future, or should be. I'm also in Albuquerque, and I'm sending you a PM.
bikemutt
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I bought a handgun once from a Big R store, after I paid and passed the BG check they insisted on escorting me to my vehicle outside the store before giving me my gun. This is store policy. The next time I buy a gun there is never. Sorry if my story is off topic but it reminds me of what the OP is experiencing.
This was mentioned to me in a gun store this evening. They said next to where your SS number goes on the form, there is another little short line next to it. I believe they said they had an application for you to obtain some kind of pin number. Apparently, once you have that its very quick indeed. I will go by and get the details. Every gun or AR lower I have purchased only took about 20 mins to complete, so I never really was concerned, but maybe this is a new trend....
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Cancel the transaction and find a new dealer. That, or wait 30 days until the NTN expires and the dealer has to run the check again anyway.
mgkdrgn
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Well, I hate to tell you this, but MY experience is that if I don't get a reply on a DELAY in 3 days, I =never= get a reply before 30 days elapse and the 4473 is no longer valid.
Have your gun transferred to a another FFL who's tin foil had isn't screwed on quite as tight ... and get yourself a UPIN.
Update. I went to a place called Los Ranchos gun shop and received good service. I didn't want to wait any more and I was able to get a proceed immediately. So I now have a new better place to buy ammo, firearms and reloading supplies heck they even had 22lr in stock. Jugs of gunpowder on the shelf. The guy that sold me the gun gave me a box ammo ppu 230grn ball. I forgot my belt so lent me one to find a suitable holster. Now that's service eand I am stoked. 
. Im still going to wait and see how long it takes for the other place to call me with the proceed. Needless to say, they are not going to see any more firearms purchases from me. Even if I wanted to it seems impossible.
. Im still going to wait and see how long it takes for the other place to call me with the proceed. Needless to say, they are not going to see any more firearms purchases from me. Even if I wanted to it seems impossible.
bikemutt
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Please see the link concerning VAFs and UPINs at the FBI website: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/appeals/nics-appeals-process/nics-appeal-frequently-asked-questions
The VAF applicant agrees to let the FBI NICS keep exculpatory information on file in order to minimize future delays or denials. No information concerning the make, model, caliber of firearms being transferred on a 4473 is ever transmitted to NICS, they are told if it's a long gun, handgun or other. This the case whether a UPIN is furnished or not.
Sunray
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Why don't you call the local ATF or FBI office and ask 'em what is causing it?
o Unforgiven o
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To the OP and others who get delayed often, do you put your SSN on the 4473?
MIL-DOT
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Don't know how inter-related all this is, but.....after living in Mexico for almost 15 years, I returned home to Georgia about 10 years ago. By brother and sister-in-law both recommended I apply with the city police for a job, as they were freindly with many of the ranking officers, and that they were currently hiring after years of being very short handed.
Well, after doing well on the physical and written tests, after some time I was politely declined, citing vague stuff with my application and background check ( but, oddly, they suggested I try the county sherrifs office).
Anyway, starting right then, I consitently got the "delayed approval" thing.
Well one time, my dealer suggested I call the NICS people myself, so i did. The young female on the phone was as freindly and helpful as possible, looked up my info, and said there was ZERO reason for my being delayed, that she could see.
She told me to wait 5 minutes and call my FFL and I would be approved, which is exactly what happened. Badda bing.
Well, a little later, I was looking for a G26, and the jerk that runs Shooters of Columbus wouldn't budge an inch on his ridiculous price, though I had the cash in hand, and told him could make the drive to another favorite old shop in Butler,Ga ( cue shameless plug for Barrow Automotive !!) and get it there for the going rate, but he declined.
So I drive an hour to Barrows for the G26, and I even tell the guy I'm gonna get delayed, I always do, but everything's cool, I have the NICS phone number, everything will be fine.
But, this time I get a young-sounding guy on the phone, and I tell him my dilema, and he tells me he's unable to tell me anything, nor help me out. I tell him ( very calmly and politely) that I know full well that he can, because they've done it before, and I tell him about the other NICS employee that told me there is NO reason for me being delayed and that she cleared me in 5 minutes.
Well, he got a little huffy at that, saying that she wasn't allowed to give me "my disposition". I was beggining to get annoyed, and said, "I don't HAVE a disposition, which you know full well, because you're looking at it on a screen this very second!!"
So we went round and round for several minutes, and to be fair, he was pretty cool through the whole thing, but still wouldn't clear me.
So, I had to drive an hour back home, and almost immediately after I get there, I get the call that I was cleared, and had to make the 2-hour round trip..........again.:banghead:
I already had my Fla. non-res permit, but this was enough reason to go get my ga. permit, ( which literally took less than 48 hours, go figure) and I haven't had any issues since.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
Well, after doing well on the physical and written tests, after some time I was politely declined, citing vague stuff with my application and background check ( but, oddly, they suggested I try the county sherrifs office).
Anyway, starting right then, I consitently got the "delayed approval" thing.
Well one time, my dealer suggested I call the NICS people myself, so i did. The young female on the phone was as freindly and helpful as possible, looked up my info, and said there was ZERO reason for my being delayed, that she could see.
She told me to wait 5 minutes and call my FFL and I would be approved, which is exactly what happened. Badda bing.
Well, a little later, I was looking for a G26, and the jerk that runs Shooters of Columbus wouldn't budge an inch on his ridiculous price, though I had the cash in hand, and told him could make the drive to another favorite old shop in Butler,Ga ( cue shameless plug for Barrow Automotive !!) and get it there for the going rate, but he declined.
So I drive an hour to Barrows for the G26, and I even tell the guy I'm gonna get delayed, I always do, but everything's cool, I have the NICS phone number, everything will be fine.
But, this time I get a young-sounding guy on the phone, and I tell him my dilema, and he tells me he's unable to tell me anything, nor help me out. I tell him ( very calmly and politely) that I know full well that he can, because they've done it before, and I tell him about the other NICS employee that told me there is NO reason for me being delayed and that she cleared me in 5 minutes.
Well, he got a little huffy at that, saying that she wasn't allowed to give me "my disposition". I was beggining to get annoyed, and said, "I don't HAVE a disposition, which you know full well, because you're looking at it on a screen this very second!!"
So we went round and round for several minutes, and to be fair, he was pretty cool through the whole thing, but still wouldn't clear me.
So, I had to drive an hour back home, and almost immediately after I get there, I get the call that I was cleared, and had to make the 2-hour round trip..........again.:banghead:
I already had my Fla. non-res permit, but this was enough reason to go get my ga. permit, ( which literally took less than 48 hours, go figure) and I haven't had any issues since.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread
.The purpose of the VAF is to allow folks who are repeatedly delayed through no fault of their own to get fast approval. I know of a man who unfortunately had the same name as a wanted criminal, and even his SSN was close to that of the BG; the result was repeated delays. AFAIK, he never applied for a VAF, but his was the kind of case it was created for.
The VAF contains info on an applicant (most of it duplicates the information already on the 4473) that tells the FBI he is the good Joseph Cantaloupe Jones, III, not the bad one, and of course the very existence of the VAF number shows that; other info provides confirmation if needed. The file does not contain any info on the guns he has or has purchased, since that is not part of the info provided by the dealer.
Jim
The VAF contains info on an applicant (most of it duplicates the information already on the 4473) that tells the FBI he is the good Joseph Cantaloupe Jones, III, not the bad one, and of course the very existence of the VAF number shows that; other info provides confirmation if needed. The file does not contain any info on the guns he has or has purchased, since that is not part of the info provided by the dealer.
Jim
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Every gun I've ever bought took about 10 minutes on the call, unless the store was super busy due to a sale.
However, I have for the last two years or so had a momentary delay. I was told by my dealer that if there is someone out there with the same name who has been in trouble, when NICS enters your name a flag is raised. Then they enter my SS number and realize I'm a different dude, and proceed. It's like a 5 second hold and verification.
If you don't include your SS number when you fill out the form (because it is optional), you may want to start. The gov. has it anyway, and if you trust your dealer, it shouldn't be an issue.
If you are using it, and still having issues, there may be something else going on.
However, I have for the last two years or so had a momentary delay. I was told by my dealer that if there is someone out there with the same name who has been in trouble, when NICS enters your name a flag is raised. Then they enter my SS number and realize I'm a different dude, and proceed. It's like a 5 second hold and verification.
If you don't include your SS number when you fill out the form (because it is optional), you may want to start. The gov. has it anyway, and if you trust your dealer, it shouldn't be an issue.
If you are using it, and still having issues, there may be something else going on.
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I'm glad that I'm able to post about my winning story! I've been purchasing firearms in the state of Pennsylvania for the last 15 years. I recently moved to Georgia. Back in September, I pawned my pistol and when I went back the next day to redeem the pawn, I got run through NICS and got a denial. I didn't understand this denial at all. I went and got fingerprinted and filed my appeal. The FBI didn't have completed records from a charge in Pennsylvania that got dropped. So I had to send them additional information. After they reached out to Pennsylvania and got the paperwork that they needed, they issued me the letter allowing me to redeem my pawned .45. I'm elated that the procedure worked for me. I know that I'm in the very small percentage of overturned denials. I will definitely be filing for a UPIN so that I don't have to deal with that issue when I purchase my AR15. Hope this post helps someone who may think their denial will be etched in stone! Go through the appeal process if you know you're entitled to bare arms! Also, I wouldn't suggest getting help from an attorney unless it is truly, truly needed. Happy toting! SEMPER FI.......
I'm glad that I'm able to post about my winning story! I've been purchasing firearms in the state of Pennsylvania for the last 15 years. I recently moved to Georgia. Back in September, I pawned my pistol and when I went back the next day to redeem the pawn, I got run through NICS and got a denial. I didn't understand this denial at all. I went and got fingerprinted and filed my appeal. The FBI didn't have completed records from a charge in Pennsylvania that got dropped. So I had to send them additional information. After they reached out to Pennsylvania and got the paperwork that they needed, they issued me the letter allowing me to redeem my pawned .45. I'm elated that the procedure worked for me. I know that I'm in the very small percentage of overturned denials. I will definitely be filing for a UPIN so that I don't have to deal with that issue when I purchase my AR15. Hope this post helps someone who may think their denial will be etched in stone! Go through the appeal process if you know you're entitled to bare arms! Also, I wouldn't suggest getting help from an attorney unless it is truly, truly needed. Happy toting! SEMPER FI.......
xxjumbojimboxx
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What a bunch of crap huh? Lol i know!
I live in Texas and got my CHL basically so I didn't have to go through it anymore as well... Sometimes the delay would take an hour. Sometimes it would take a month. Depending on the dealer, some will disperse in three days if not gotten a response from the NICS. Some take the ethical high road and wont do anything until they hear something. Most of the FFLs around here will transfer at the three day mark no questions asked. Retailers like academy will not. I waited three weeks for a 10/22 once. I was bummed. Anyways... I ALWAYS GOT DELAYED. I think it was my dad lol. We share a common name, and shared a common address for years and he has a really nasty charge for manhandling a few police officers back in the day. So I always just figured because we look so similar on paper, that's probably why I got delayed. Also, Putting your social on the form doesn't help. Not in my case anyways.
So glad I have my chl now though.
I live in Texas and got my CHL basically so I didn't have to go through it anymore as well... Sometimes the delay would take an hour. Sometimes it would take a month. Depending on the dealer, some will disperse in three days if not gotten a response from the NICS. Some take the ethical high road and wont do anything until they hear something. Most of the FFLs around here will transfer at the three day mark no questions asked. Retailers like academy will not. I waited three weeks for a 10/22 once. I was bummed. Anyways... I ALWAYS GOT DELAYED. I think it was my dad lol. We share a common name, and shared a common address for years and he has a really nasty charge for manhandling a few police officers back in the day. So I always just figured because we look so similar on paper, that's probably why I got delayed. Also, Putting your social on the form doesn't help. Not in my case anyways.
So glad I have my chl now though.
I've tried every possible (and LEGAL) way of completing the stupid form, and I always get delayed. Numerous people theorize that it's b/c my fingerprints are in a government data base (for employment) somewhere. I don't LIKE getting delayed, but since it's never turned into a denial, I've learned to LIVE with it.
mgkdrgn
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That would be the FBI. To find out, you have to appeal. If it has come off "Delay", then you no longer have a need to appeal.
If it happens a lot, get a UPIN.
mgkdrgn
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Well, "Numerous people" are wrong.
Some how, you are getting "confused" with some other person that is prohibited, and it takes a while to sort the two of you out.
File a VAF, get a UPIN and pot an end to it. That UPIN will direct them to YOUR records so you won't be confused with someone else.
Or, better yet, in TX get a carry permit and they you bypass the background check. Still have to fill out the 4473.
CoalTrain49
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I purchased a revolver from an un-named sporting goods store and got delayed. They said they would call me "in about a Week". I waited the 3 business days and called them. They said "did we call you"? I said no and they said "if we didn't call you then nothing has changed, we will call you". Two weeks later they called. So I said "you should have called me sooner because I know you can let me have it if you don't get a response in 3 business days". The reply was "you can pick up your gun now". So I let them call me several more times over a period of about two weeks and never did pick it up. I wonder if they ever figured it out.
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