Delray Beach P.D. is seizing guns

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OK, I live in Delray Beach. The deal is that two people were injured by falling bullets.

One victim has the bullet still lodged in her. The other was hit but the bullet was not found. I don't see what's confusing about this...isn't this how it was reported in the Sun Sentinel?

The guns that were confiscated were NOT legally owned guns. They were guns taken from people with criminal records.

As for whether shooting a gun in the air is a misdemeanor or a felony shouldn't ever affect us law abiding gun owners. Who of us is really dumb enough to shoot a gun in the air to celebrate? Who are we? Saddam? Bin Laden? Castro? Khadaffi?

Here in Delray Beach we have a HUGE fireworks store open all year long. If we want to make noise, we can buy firecrackers. Why waste good ammo?

Peace,
D.
 
Kodiaz said:
However, NRA lobbyist Marion Hammer said adequate laws are already in place to punish criminals.

"We have laws that prevent law enforcement from acting too quickly," she said. "If the individual is a danger to himself or others, they don't need a warrant to arrest him. There are plenty of laws in place when you may and may not arrest with or without a warrant. They need to quit running to the legislature for a new law any time something is inconvenient."

this IMHO is the real heart of the problem with LE in this country. naturally pols who mostly were lawyers equate volume of new laws with improved productivity on their part.
 
Delija said:
As for whether shooting a gun in the air is a misdemeanor or a felony shouldn't ever affect us law abiding gun owners. Who of us is really dumb enough to shoot a gun in the air to celebrate? Who are we? Saddam? Bin Laden? Castro? Khadaffi?

I'm a law abiding gun owner too so I probably shouldn't be concerned about this law or any other that doesn't affect me. I don't beat my wife and we do have a wonderful marriage so I probably shouldn't care whether people who have restraining orders are prohibited from possessing firearms. I'm not interested in owning a fully-automatic firearm so there's probably no reason for me to be concerned about those laws either. I'm not a cop so, really, why should I care about whether they're protected by law when they're accused of wrongdoing. I don't hunt so why should I care whether any law discourages hunting. And I don't own a .50 caliber gun and have no intention of owning one so I shouldn't be interested if they're banned.

There are lots of things that don't affect me personally that I probably shouldn't care about. But if I don't care about them, and you don't care either, pretty soon there'll be laws that affect what we do care about and there'll be no one to support us.
 
This is the perfect scenario for the pushing of Cal's serialized
bullet scheme bill last year. More reports like this and the bill
will come up again. Just think, every bullet you buy would have
a tiny serial number embossed on it. Every time you went to
purchase a box of ammo you'd have to give up all your info, which
I think is mostly the law now, = your driver's license to be
swiped. The ammo you have now will have to either shot up
or turned in to the local police in a certain time frame..

Shooting into the air could cost a LOT of people trouble, even
if you 500 miles away. Believe this is just the kind of thing
the anti-gun front counts on.
 
Robert Hairless said:
There are lots of things that don't affect me personally that I probably shouldn't care about. But if I don't care about them, and you don't care either, pretty soon there'll be laws that affect what we do care about and there'll be no one to support us.

So you think that people who DO want to shoot their guns into the air inside city limits should be allowed to? Delray Beach on New Years eve is a densely populated place. This was a danger to anyone. It DOES matter, whether it affects you or not.


bg said:
Shooting into the air could cost a LOT of people trouble, even
if you 500 miles away. Believe this is just the kind of thing
the anti-gun front counts on.
Yup, there's that too.

I don't see one good reason for not enforcing this law. And if it's changed from a misdemeanor to a felony, so what? It's just another way to get dangerous and stupid people off the streets.

Peace,
D.
 
There was a previous article about this incident on this site. The bullets were NOT fired into the air. They were fired horizontally at a location where the shooters apparently didn't think anyone would be. It was pretty wreckless and more akin to manslaughter/murder rather than just discharging a firearm.

I didn't see anywhere where they said the guns they seized were illegal, but that is likely the case.

My comment about it being a felony is just a general comment that every new law these days, they want to make every little wrong doing to be a felony. It is just not necessary to make something like discharging a firearm a felony. That is overkill and waters down other more serious crimes.
 
Delija said:
So you think that people who DO want to shoot their guns into the air inside city limits should be allowed to? Delray Beach on New Years eve is a densely populated place. This was a danger to anyone. It DOES matter, whether it affects you or not.

It so happens that I've spent a lot of time in Delray Beach. No, I don't think that people should shoot guns into the air inside its city limits, or in any other city, or anywhere else in which there's even the slightest possibility that someone might be injured. I also have never advocated any such position or even implied that I did. I don't think that anyone else here has done so either. I'll reread any message that does advocate or imply such a position if you will point it out.

Everyone else here is discussing the entirely different issue of whether the law should be changed to make discharging a firearm a felony instead of a misdemeanor. You seem to believe that such a change in the law would prevent idiots from behaving like idiots. I don't. And I mistrust laws made or changed impulsively in reaction to specific incidents. My own experiences in Delray Beach involve fairly lengthy visits to relatives there over a span of decades. Your city does not seem to have suffered from chronic firearms discharge during all that time, and I doubt that there are people running through the streets at this moment firing weapons into the air--certainly not because the crime is a misdemeanor rather than a felony.

I am troubled by the increasing felonization of America. My concern is that we have become an increasingly punitive society in which the drive for draconian punishments has overwhelmed our common sense. Of course it is easier to punish people harder and more severely than it is to attempt to prevent crimes. Your support for a change in the law to make this crime a felony might make you feel virtuous but in fact it will do absolutely nothing to reduce the problem--unless, of course, everyone who is suspected of discharging a firearm within the city is sent to prison for a long time or executed on the spot. Those people will not do it again. But others will.

We need to stop and think carefully, for a long time, whenever we have an urge to felonize any aspect of human behavior no matter how undesirable the behavior. Felonies destroy people's lives, and their families' lives too. This impulse is not one we should succumb to and this direction is not one we should take except rarely and only after much clear consideration. Remember that even the death penalty does not prevent people from murdering other people. And, in fact, automatic death penalties for certain crimes may spur a criminal to murder witnesses and victims who otherwise might have been spared.

So, no, I am not excusing anyone stupid enough to discharge a firearm into the air when there is the slightest chance of causing harm. I am saying that your thinking is wrong when you say that you shouldn't be concerned if that behavior is penalized as a felony instead of a misdemeanor. Florida presumably has severe penalties already for someone who injures another person that way.
 
Robert Hairless said:
I am troubled by the increasing felonization of America. My concern is that we have become an increasingly punitive society in which the drive for draconian punishments has overwhelmed our common sense. Of course it is easier to punish people harder and more severely than it is to attempt to prevent crimes. Your support for a change in the law to make this crime a felony might make you feel virtuous but in fact it will do absolutely nothing to reduce the problem--unless, of course, everyone who is suspected of discharging a firearm within the city is sent to prison for a long time or executed on the spot. Those people will not do it again. But others will.

Good post. I think it is more a misapplication of punishment. We punish some crimes harshly and other crimes that we should punish harshly, we let people off with a slap on the wrist. I think the large numbers of felonies make those decisions more difficult.
 
Something similar happened in Crescent City (?), Kalifornicate? Two people were shot in the head while asleep at their campsite.

Local LEOs, IIRC, went through local records and collected some firearms from the local citizenry, all without due process.

I didn't hear about any outcome.
 
One person was has a bullet inside them okay that person was shot. One person was hit on the head with something that was never found. For all you know a marble hit the other person.

They have no suspects in this crime they have no bullet. There is no eveidence only speculation. I emailed the reporter today.
 
Any lunatic who fires into the air in a crowded neighborhood such as Delray Beach deserves to be carted off to jail and lose their right to own a gun.

Muts like this only serve to make it more difficult on the rest of us.

As the law states the officer would have to see the suspect shoot the gun to make an arrest. Even if the cop heard the shot, turned the corner and saw a guy holding a smoking gun, all he could do is make a report, turn it in and possibly wait for a warrant to be issued for the guy holding the gun.

Then the court would have to prove he fired the gun, not just held it.

I live in a rural area down here and are more apprehensive of getting hit by a stray bullet than a drunk driver on new year eve.

I quit teaching CCW classes because of the decline in student mental awareness down here.
 
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