gc70
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I've seen a few, but they generally used new parts if the purpose of the build was not a restoration.
Designed to be carried Cocked and Locked: Not!
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I've seen a few, but they generally used new parts if the purpose of the build was not a restoration.
1911Tuner
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Too much worry over the frames. It's the slide that takes the beatin'. The "gun" is the slide and barrel. The frame is just a gun mount. That's why the government ordered a couple dozen slides and barrels, plus hundreds of small parts for every complete gun they took delivery on.
smoothdraw
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Condition 1 and Condition 3 only for me. To put the gun in condition 2 is safe hazard. Not the carry condition but just imagine lowering your hammer with 1 in the pipe just to be in condition 2.. The probability that you might lower the hammer improperly and set off the weapon is high.
REAPER4206969
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There was a story posted a few months ago where a man negligently killed his wife by going condition two with his 1911. It was in the news so you could try Google.
Zerodefect
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Not this again!
Just get a Glock allready!
My 1911 cocked and locked is the safest CCW I own. I am completely confident in its ability not to shoot my foot. (unless i say so) I usually carry a Glock G23 cocked and unlocked. ( I still have all my toes!)
Just get a Glock allready!
My 1911 cocked and locked is the safest CCW I own. I am completely confident in its ability not to shoot my foot. (unless i say so) I usually carry a Glock G23 cocked and unlocked. ( I still have all my toes!)
christcorp
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I'd be curious for people who say that Condition-2 is so unsafe, to find some data that shows such a thing. And I don't need to search for it, because I know it's a safe condition. And I also know that if you're smarter than the gun, it is safe to put in into condition-2. And it's not like you are putting it from condition 3, to 1, to 2 over and over again. I have quite a few guns, so it's not like I shot the 1911A1 every weekend. There is no way that my 1911A1 could be unsafe. I go to the range; I shoot the crap out of it; when I'm finished, I do a basic cleaning; (I only do complete break down cleanings of guns 2 times a year); I then put the loaded magazine in; chamber a round; lower the hammer; put the gun in the holster; and go home. And it STAYS in condition 2 until the next time I take it shooting. I don't own any Bar-B-Que guns. I'm not like that. So, how is my condition-2 dangerous??? And even the few times that I've had to remove the magazine and empty the chamber at home, when it was time to reload, it isn't hard to lower the hammer.
Of course, I rarely carry a 1911A1 any longer. Rationalize all you want, it sucks as a concealed carry weapon. Just like there's those here trying to say that it was "DESIGNED" to be carried condition 1; I'm surprised they aren't saying it was "Designed" to be carried concealed. It was made for an external holster. Anyway, I don't carry it much at all. Maybe 1 or 2 days a year. And that's only if there's a specific reason, like I didn't want to take all my guns shooting, so I left my normal carry weapon home. While I like the 1911A1, there's been a lot of improvements over the last 100 years. Name for me; the Sig Sauer P220 45acp. What's not to like? And conversations like this one NEVER exist. And you'd have to sell your soul just to find a thread that is talking negative about a SigSauer P220.
Anyway, when I want to carry a real gun, I carry my sig. But if I do carry my Springfield Armory 1911A1; which I also really like; it is in condition 2. It's in condition 2 in my safe and when it's out of the safe.
Oooooo; almost forgot. For you "HOLY CRAP... CONDITION 2..... NOOOOOOO" crowd. Answer me a very simple question. Why is the hammer made the way it is; including a serrated thumb??? If it wasn't meant to be lowered, it wouldn't be able to be lowered. According to all the "God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit; personally approved the 1911A1 to be carried in condition 1", there is no reason EVER to lower the hammer. If you want to empty, you take the mag out and eject the one in the chamber. So why is the hammer designed for a person to manually lower it???
Of course, I rarely carry a 1911A1 any longer. Rationalize all you want, it sucks as a concealed carry weapon. Just like there's those here trying to say that it was "DESIGNED" to be carried condition 1; I'm surprised they aren't saying it was "Designed" to be carried concealed. It was made for an external holster. Anyway, I don't carry it much at all. Maybe 1 or 2 days a year. And that's only if there's a specific reason, like I didn't want to take all my guns shooting, so I left my normal carry weapon home. While I like the 1911A1, there's been a lot of improvements over the last 100 years. Name for me; the Sig Sauer P220 45acp. What's not to like? And conversations like this one NEVER exist. And you'd have to sell your soul just to find a thread that is talking negative about a SigSauer P220.
Anyway, when I want to carry a real gun, I carry my sig. But if I do carry my Springfield Armory 1911A1; which I also really like; it is in condition 2. It's in condition 2 in my safe and when it's out of the safe.
Oooooo; almost forgot. For you "HOLY CRAP... CONDITION 2..... NOOOOOOO" crowd. Answer me a very simple question. Why is the hammer made the way it is; including a serrated thumb??? If it wasn't meant to be lowered, it wouldn't be able to be lowered. According to all the "God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit; personally approved the 1911A1 to be carried in condition 1", there is no reason EVER to lower the hammer. If you want to empty, you take the mag out and eject the one in the chamber. So why is the hammer designed for a person to manually lower it???
rellascout
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Are you kidding me... lets talk stainless steel slides and internal extractors.
REAPER4206969
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There are numerous story's of people shooting themselves/others/things while lowing the hammer.
REAPER4206969
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REAPER4206969
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No one keeps statistics of random idiots shooting themselves.
Actually the government does keep statistics of "random idiots shooting themselves."
What we don't have are statistics describing the number of ND's from firearms owners utilizing Condition 2. I asked for data, I always ask for data, and I get snark instead. The funny thing is, I would change my preference in a millisecond if presented with compelling data.
What we don't have are statistics describing the number of ND's from firearms owners utilizing Condition 2. I asked for data, I always ask for data, and I get snark instead. The funny thing is, I would change my preference in a millisecond if presented with compelling data.
REAPER4206969
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If you can't see what's wrong with overriding 3-4 safety's to lower a small, slippery hammer onto a loaded chamber and then cock it back again in a fight, I don't know.
REAPER4206969
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Do you really think most people that ND call the cops?
REAPER4206969
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You can't find something that doesn't exist. Think for yourself, "Is this a good idea?"
Well, because it was.
The original 1911 hammer has a wide spur with checkering. It is so pronounced that it has pinched the web on the shooting hand of many a shooters. Both the original 1911 hammer and grip frame are designed to allow easy access to the hammer.
These features are not by accident.
REAPER4206969
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What data?
REAPER4206969
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It was used to recock for a second strike on a hard primer. While that is not a good tactic, it was popular back then.
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I've read many reports of hammer follow upon slide release, doesn't that speak directly to the inherent danger of C&L?
Anyway, been thinking, and truth be told it has been quite a few months since I lowered the hammer on a live round. Because once I do it, it stays that way, for a very long time.
As I mentioned previously, we do have data of "random idiots shooting themselves."
I have done this with M1903's, Lee Enfields, and my M1911. I much prefer this than to opening the action to what might be a potential hangfire.
Thank you for the link, it lead to a list of interesting articles. However, I don't know which one you were specifically referring to.
However, the one that says "How trigger parts interact?", the cutaway pictures show that the thumb safety is a sear blocking safety. The thumb safety does not appear to be holding the hammer, or camming the hammer back.
You hit that hammer hard enough to shear the hammer notch, or the sear tip, or if the hammer is pulled back and dropped on the sear, causing an over ride, what is there to prevent the hammer from hitting the firing pin?
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