Destroying some sacred shotgun myths
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I agree. What are the cliff notes, OP?
herrwalther
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First off the "I'm in law enforcement so I know what I'm talking about." doesn't fly with me. There are well documented cases of police officers being stupid with firearms. No badge makes you a firearm expert.
Here is the sparknotes version of his myths:
1: Shotgun is the most reliable firearm there is
2: You don't have to aim them
3: Racking sound makes bad guys run
4: Perfect weapon for everyone, even new shooters
5: Fire into the air off back porch to scare someone off
6: Shotguns are too big to use indoors
I am going to give THR a little credit. I haven't seen many people believe these myths to be real. And those that do, get corrected by others with adequate knowledge and experience. So no life altering epiphanies in his video about shattered myths.
Here is the sparknotes version of his myths:
1: Shotgun is the most reliable firearm there is
2: You don't have to aim them
3: Racking sound makes bad guys run
4: Perfect weapon for everyone, even new shooters
5: Fire into the air off back porch to scare someone off
6: Shotguns are too big to use indoors
I am going to give THR a little credit. I haven't seen many people believe these myths to be real. And those that do, get corrected by others with adequate knowledge and experience. So no life altering epiphanies in his video about shattered myths.
And I thought I was lazy............
Okay.
Myth #1 Shotguns are the ultimate reliable weapon.
Myth #2 You don't even have to aim a shotgun.
Myth #3 Racking a shotgun scares away the bad guy(s).
Myth #4 A shotgun is the perfect weapon for everyone, especially new shooters.
Myth #5 Just fire a round into the air to scare off bad guys.
Myth #6 Shotguns are too big to use in a house.
With all the new, first time gun owners out there these myths are making the rounds again and too many people believe them. I continue to see people recommend shotguns to first time gun buyers as the ultimate self defense weapon and only on occasion do I read those people adding the train regularly caveat. It shouldn't be a caveat but an exclamation point instead and that applies to any and every firearm one owns and has chosen to use for self defense.
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DustyGmt
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Nobody here believes any of this nonsense. I will admit, the only one that I ever really gave any credence to was the "rack attack". I've always believed that somebody creeping silently through a house with questionable intent and believes they have not been detected, hears the unmistakable sound, will probably be looking for an exit IF, if they are of relatively sound mind and aren't prepared for a gunfight.
Definitely not a reliable way to protect yourself, so if you rack it with that intent, you'd better have one in it. I have heard at least one idiot say they don't even need to keep a shell in their shotgun because the sound alone sends em running.....smh.
Definitely not a reliable way to protect yourself, so if you rack it with that intent, you'd better have one in it. I have heard at least one idiot say they don't even need to keep a shell in their shotgun because the sound alone sends em running.....smh.
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OG makes the point that nowadays the most likely home invaders are wacked out druggies in such a state that they don't know or care what you have and will still try to attack you even if they are only using a screw driver. They're anything but rational.
Like firemarshal bill here. I'm an expert so believe me while I explain how my stupid was the not my fault, so I can sue someone. Yea, people need to stop calling that trigger part a safety. It never is, never was. I could understand an accidental shooting, but refusing responsibility, finger pointing, and going down with everyone knowing your a liar is too much. This guy should quit, does not have the integrity for that job.
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CoalCrackerAl
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I stopped watching a lot of these so called ''experts'' on you tube.
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First timers sure. At the very least, OG delivery is all wrong for a "myth bust" video. "Shotgun myths to avoid as a first timer" would have been a better video. But, he talks like he is trying to be the prominent expert, in a room full of other experts. Claims to shatter myths, that no one believes after their first time shooting a shotgun at the range.
DustyGmt
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Exactly, it's a Safe Action Trigger, not a safety. When somebody asks me where the safety is on a glock I tell them between the ears, Glocks aren't equipped with a safety.
Furthermore, those officers should have known how to properly holster their weapons and the ND wouldn't have happened. Clear your garment properly, as much as having good muzzle discipline is important, the same care should be taken to keep your trigger clear of any debris, clothing, drawstrings, etc... not saying the guy is an idiot, it can happen to alot of people, but if you're carrying a round chambered, and you're aware of how the gun operates, that ND is on you buddy. Don't sue the company for your own actions......
mgmorden
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All valid points, though often people are a little too tickled with themselves and eager to "catch someone". I once got the "well actually . . . you have to aim a shotgun " thing one time when mentioning that a shotgun was easier to aim than a rifle. I duck hunt. I know how to shoot a shotgun. Yes they have to be aimed, but it's disingenuous as all hell to suggest that a shotgun isn't far more forgiving when it comes to precision.
Apparently you didn't watch him demonstrate why it's not AS forgiving as many seem to think it is. And he's not the only one who has demonstrated this. Too many people think the shot disperses in a wide pattern as soon as it leaves the muzzle, it doesn't. At 10 feet the dispersal is only as big as a silver dollar, at fifteen feet about the size of a paper plate at twenty five feet all you're doing is stinging the guy with an aimed shot. Obviously if your using full choke and buck shot your distances are better with tighter groupings which means for close up, from the hip shots your chances of missing the target are pretty high. Heightened nervousness, adrenaline, maybe a dark house all contribute.
Basically he's addressing those who think shot from a shotgun disperses in a huge, wide pattern that can cover an entire room 5 to 15 feet away.
mgmorden
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I'm not addressing his critique, just saying that many tend to be eager to prove their knowledge (no offense, but you sort of just proved my point
). When someone says a shotgun is easier to aim they don't always think it's a giant death ray that only needs to be pointed in the general cardinal direction of a threat. It's ok to admit that you don't have to be as precise as with a rifle. I've taken hundreds of ducks (steel shot) flying up to 60MPH and at least a dozen deer (with buckshot - they still allow dog drives here) - many of those running at various speeds. Those shots would have been somewhere between "more challenging" to "damned near impossible" with a rifle.
He's an LEO and an LEO shotgun instructor. Teaches LEOs nationwide.
These to applies to the military as well. Being in the military does not make you an expert. My experience was with only the 1911, the M16, the M60 and the Ma deuce.
True, claiming one is an expert without the background to prove it comprises the vast majority of people on you tube. OG however is a well known LEO and LEO shotgun trainer all over the nation. His focus is using and training with shotguns. As a former LEO I knew of him before I even found the video (by accident), didn't know he had done any. Everyone has the option to believe him and me or not, that's okay, no skin off of my nose.
twarr1
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Anybody that believes you don’t have to aim them has never shot clays. Or game birds for that matter.
They call it a safety... butttt people should not??? hmmmmmmmmmmm
https://us.glock.com/en/learn/glock-pistols/safe-action-system
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whughett
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Of course we are assuming that, sight unsee, EVERYONE, knows what a pump action shot gun sounds like.
The second exclamation point should be learn how to tear down/clean/function test your firearm. Preferably before ever firing it - you never know, it might help to have some idea how it works before hitting the range.
off topic, I know...
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