Detectives Testing Residents' Guns (Bodega Bay)

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Detectives Testing Resident's Guns (Bodega Bay)

Well, this is really special - Bodega Bay, CA - Detectives Testing resident's guns to find killer of couple on beach

Detectives investigating the slayings of two young campers on a Jenner beach have visited the homes of at least two Sonoma County residents this week, seeking permission to test their handguns.

Sheriff's officials wouldn't discuss why the people were contacted, but a Bodega Bay man said he voluntarily handed over two guns.

Bruce, who asked that only his first name be used, wouldn't divulge the make or caliber of the weapons, saying detectives asked him not to reveal that information.

He said he cooperated with investigators because he wants the killings of Jason Allen and Lindsay Cutshall to be solved. But he also believes that he was unfairly questioned simply for being listed in government records on gun owners.

He said other than a drunken driving conviction in 1990 he has no criminal record.

"If this is going to help them, great," he said. "But while they're in here, they're asking, 'Hey, you got anything illegal we need to know about? No, except for the meth lab in my bathroom.' C'mon guys. This is a fishing expedition."

Sheriff's investigators have said they're chasing hundreds of leads but haven't identified a suspect or a motive in the slayings. They also have said they haven't found the firearm used to kill Allen and Cutshall, youth camp counselors whose bodies were found Aug. 18 by sheriff's deputies.

Bruce is one of two men from Bodega Bay who said two detectives showed up at their homes unannounced this week to inquire about guns the men own. They said the detectives asked if they could come inside to make sure the weapons were "safe and accounted for."

Both men said they were then interviewed about the Jenner case for more than an hour. Bruce said he was asked if he had been in Jenner recently and was asked for personal details about his family and friends.

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From the article:
He said there is nothing illegal about using gun registry information in a criminal investigation, and that detectives don't need a search warrant unless they are denied entry or a person refuses to answer questions.

The information used in such cases can be obtained through the state Department of Justice, which keeps a record of all gun purchases made through licensed dealers in California. The information can be cross-checked with criminal records and other data from background checks that must be conducted when anyone buys a firearm, said Hallye Jordan, a Justice Department spokeswoman.

She said law enforcement agencies can access this information through a variety of state and federal databases, including the Automated Firearm System, which includes records of guns that are purchased as well as those that are booked as evidence or reported lost or stolen.

The databases aren't available to the general public, she said.
:scrutiny:
 
"Get a warrant, and have a nice day!"
Don't you mean " If you have probable cause to believe I am involved in this crime, you should swear so before a judge and he will issue a warrant. At that time, I would be happy to allow you to enter my home. Until then, I bid you Good Day. Good Day, sir. I said Good Day."
 
(FEZ Voice), Yes, Good Day! :)

Morons going to law abiding citizens who own guns to try and solve heinous crimes. The logic excapes me. They just don't know that criminals aren't registering their gunz??
 
Geez I been hearing a lot about this sort of thing lately. What's going on?

-Bill
 
"If this is going to help them, great," he said. "But while they're in here, they're asking, 'Hey, you got anything illegal we need to know about? No, except for the meth lab in my bathroom.' C'mon guys. This is a fishing expedition."


That's classic. :neener:
 
I'd refuse to cooperate on principle, and because having them test my guns isn't going to get them any closer to finding the killer. "Sorry, no... you would just be wasting my tax money by performing tests on my guns. Get a warrant, if you can, and I'll surrender it/them at that time".

Of course, you just know that anyone who does refuse will be subjected to further investigation. You could probably count on getting pulled over the next time you drove and having your car searched. Several cops have told me there is no way anyone can operate a motor vehicle in California without violating some part of the Vehicle Code.
 
I recall the DC sniper incident. 1000 investigators wasting an enormous amount of time, money and energy running around all over Maryland tracking down .223 owners and test firing their guns. I think they checked 5000 of them.

In the meantime the snipers were blowing people away, one by one.

I understand that some people refused to cooperate and the investigators
tried to get warrants. And, about the first time a warrant was approved (and served?) the snipers were caught.
 
The "investigating" of innocent people was illustrated in Joseph Wambaugh's 1989 book, "The Blooding". Armed with the new technology of DNA matching, British police asked every male in a community to give a blood sample so they could isolate and identify a rapist-murderer. Interestingly enough, or predictably for England, the compliance rate of "volunteers" giving blood samples was quite high.

The killer was identified not because he refused to give blood, but because he convinced a friend to give blood in his place. The friend ran his mouth about it and the word got to the police.

Pilgrim
 
I know you'll miss the beaches and such, but I'm sure you're aware that this sort of fishing doesn't happen just in California. Others have pointed out that it happend during the DC sniper incident, on a much larger scale.
 
First Oshkosh, now Bodega Bay ...

Just got through reading about this situation in the Gen Gun Discussion sub-forum ... As I noted there, you Californians actually pay per gun for the privilege of registering your firearms. Sheesh. No registration up here. And, law-abiding citizen can carry guns here (unlike CA, where only cops and criminals can pack). Don't know the circumstances in the Jenner case (were the two victims shot while they slept) but perhaps if they'd been legally armed ... and used some situational awareness (sleeping on a beach?).
 
Apparently, the victims were shot while they slept. It is legal to have a firearm at your campsite, unless you are in a national park or a developed campsite that forbids it. I don't know about state parks, though. Many of the rural counties issue concealed carry permits, but not the urban counties.
 
Good response, Carpetbagger.

"Also, I can state that any firearms I might have are secure and accounted for. Beyond that, I wish to consult with my attorney before volunteering any more information, and I would like to have him present during questioning. Good day."

Any idea if any of the people in Bodega Bay are doing that, or whether they're just volunteering to dump their 4th Amendment rights?

- pdmoderator
 
And this, folks, is one damned fine example of why registration is a Bad Thing: apparently out in California gun registration has caused local peace officers to lose the ability to perform a good crime investigation.

Printing up a list of registered gun owners, figuring out which of the gun owners on the list has a gun that might match calibre to your murder weapon, locating the owners of the registered guns, and then sending out officers to talk to them seems to me to be a massive amount of time and manpower which perhaps could have been better spent looking at things directly related to the crime being investigated!

Jumping Judas Priest on a flaming pogo stick!

LawDog
 
Geez I been hearing a lot about this sort of thing lately. What's going on?


The police are being very lazy, that's what's going on. No way in hell I'd let them take my gun to test without a warrant.
 
You know, the more I think about this, the angrier I get.

Testing every handgun which matches in calibre is exactly the same as polygraphing everyone in town.

It. Is. Sloppy. Police. Work. It's lazy.

I'm here to tell you, if the Sheriff got wind that I was going door-to-door on a murder investigation asking everyone to turn in their guns for testing -- just to make sure -- he'd stick a hand-made cowboy boot so far up my fourth point of contact that I'd be coughing up ostrich feathers.

And where the hell is the ACLU?!

If the locals had gone door-to-door asking the local residents if they'd sign consent to search forms for their houses -- just to make sure -- an ACLU atttack lawyer would be clamped on the Sonoma County Sheriff's ankle before deputies got to the third door.

Can you imagine what would have happened if Sonoma County deputies had walked through Bodega Bay asking residents if they'd sign a polygraph waiver? Think "feeding frenzy", then think "cacharadon legalii".

Nooo. It's just guns. The bloody ACLU would prefer to stick it's nose somewhere else. Surely somehwere there's a child murderer who needs ACLU representation more than a handfull of gun-owners.

ARRGGHH!!! :fire:

LawDog
 
You're right Lawdog. These cops are pissing on the constitution, and those people are so stupid they are standing there and watching. they are giving up their rights, for something they think is security.
 
>>>You're right Lawdog. These cops are pissing on the constitution, and those people are so stupid they are standing there and watching. they are giving up their rights, for something they think is security.<<<

Barney fife is too busy to worry about little things like that. They are too worried about keeping their bosses happy so they can keep warm puddin in their tummies.........no matter what the cost. To your rights that is.

When was the last time you EVER heard a cop say to another ...."I won't perform this search because it's illegal". The answer is quite simply, never.

:barf:
 
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