Diagnosing an almost squib round

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OP, how frequently are you checking the powder charge weight for QC?

When the bad round fired, the mouth of the case locked the slide open and was jammed into the front of the ejection port, and that's how powder spilled inside the gun, and some onto my hand.
It doesn't take all that much to get a bullet out of the barrel and to a close target.I am guessing it is unburned more than spilled powder
+1. I think not enough powder charge for efficient powder burn and to fully cycle the slide.

Let's look at some things:
lightly loaded 9mm, using Power Pistol in a 16" AR ... inside the barrel was some unburned powder, not just a few flakes, but what looked to be about 1/4 of the total charge. Happened several times. The bullet always made it out, though. When I upped the charge, the problem went away. I chalked it up to not enough pressure for a complete burn
Sounds like OP's problem.

Funny thing, though, is that I used that same load in my pistols without a problem.
The pistols stay locked for a split second compared to the blowback AR.
Blowback carbine will pull brass away from chamber and lose pressure as soon as recoil overcomes the mass of bolt/buffer and recoil spring tension.

Locked breech pistol will hold the brass longer in the chamber to build more pressure.
 
Is it possible the bullet was undersized. I don’t think a 32 bullet would stay in at all and don’t believe there is anything in between. Maybe someone has an idea on this front.

I have a hard time thinking the crimp could do that to that degree. Was the case covered in black suit?

I don’t think lube would do it.

Water could, but not likely with dry tumble.

How sensitive is the powder cop die or whatever your using. Will it alert a 1/2 charge?

Powder can bridge up in a new powder die that’s oily, been there done that. You could have dumped the bridged oily powder all in
one case.
I noticed some 45’s I was loading didn’t look as full, weighed a change and it was 3.2gr of 5.0 I went on and loaded 5 before cleaning it with a qtip and alcohol. I decided to shoot em and see what happened. They shot like that, barely cycled the gun. You could almost count to 2 before it would lock.

Properly set up the RCBS lock-out die is fully capable of detecting a half charge of most powders.
 
Blowback carbine will pull brass away from chamber and lose pressure as soon as recoil overcomes the mass of bolt/buffer and recoil spring tension.

Locked breech pistol will hold the brass longer in the chamber to build more pressure.
And I think it also does a better job sealing the brass to the chamber as well, which contributes to the pressure.
 
OP, how frequently are you checking the powder charge weight for QC?


+1. I think not enough powder charge for efficient powder burn and to fully cycle the slide.

I check it several times in the first 10 to 20 rounds, then sometimes again towards the end. I need to see what the threshold is for the Dillon powder check die. Obviously it will catch no charge and double charge, but since I was loading on the low end, low powder charge is definitely a possibility. I also was not verifying powder charge with a balance scale, so perhaps the 3.3 was really 3.1-3.2 on some charges. I purchased an RCBS 505 since I tended to ignore the Lee safety scale on pistol loads because I don't care for how it functions. I'm also thinking I should bring the charge up to 3.4 or 3.5 to get away from the low end.
 
I need to see what the threshold is for the Dillon powder check die.
Good plan IMO
I am not familiar with the Dillon powder check die but the RCBS one I have will lock out in 9mm if my 4.5gr WSF charge is more than .2 gr off either way. (maybe a hair more but usually .2 will do it)
If it was me I would set up the Dillon die for your load then add and subtract powder .1 gr at a time so you can find out how far of it has to be to alarm/lockout or whatever it does to let you know something is amiss.
That way you have an idea of what it is or is not telling you.
 
I'm also thinking I should bring the charge up to 3.4 or 3.5 to get away from the low end.

Your charge of 3.3 grains is not at the low end. Hodgon's numbers for 147 grain jacketed (Horn XTPs) are a start load of 3.0 grains and a maximum load of 3.4 grains. Your chronograph results of 878 fps (at 3.3 grains nominal powder charge) are quite a bit higher than Hodgon's 845 fps at 3.4 grains. I'd say that your batch's load of 3.3 grains, as you are measuring it, is plenty. I'd check your scale(s) with test weights, etc. to be sure.


Looking specifically at the squib load, I think that

+1. I think not enough powder charge for efficient powder burn and to fully cycle the slide.

is likely. What on the 650XL might have allowed a case with a low charge to get through the process?

These are things that I've seen on my well-used 650XL:

1) I've been through a couple of buzzers on the low powder check device. I've learned to always visually verify the rise of the check probe on each stroke of the press to back up the audible alarm. It's easy, really; my eyes make sure that the bullet is placed properly, and then shift to the nearby check probe on the second half of the stroke.

2) Variations in case inside dimensions are the normal cause of variations in check probe rise. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a variation in probe rise, stopped loading to check the powder charge, only to confirm that the Dillon powder drop was right on (generally within 0.1 grain). That being said, its never a bad idea to stop the process and check powder charge if you have ANY question.

3) You were tweaking the height of the powder drop in your effort to adjust case bell. Be absolutely sure that your powder drop is travelling all the way up and the slide is all the way into the drop's body after each adjustment that you make to case bell. Also, make sure that the powder drop body is secured to the powder die after you make this adjustment (if you forget, the press will tell you in a few dozen rounds--the powder drop will pop off of the powder die).

4) Be sure that you use the return device that pulls the powder drop back down to its rest position at the end of each stroke. Sometimes, after making bell adjustments, we forget to re-attach that rod/device, and that can result in the odd low charge. If your device has one, adjust the spring tension properly, too.

5) Buy individual press heads if you load for more than one cartridge. Since you're using Dillon dies, once you get everything set just the way you want it for 9mm, then you shouldn't ever need to adjust the dies in stations 1, 2, and 5 again. Adjust the powder check probe when changing powders or power charge, and adjust the bullet seater in station four when you change bullets or COAL but that's it. Having individual press heads for different calibers eliminates redoing all of that setup when you switch calibers.

6) If you have to stop the normal loading sequence for any reason, pay VERY close attention to powder charges in the cases in stations 3 and 4. Look in each of these cases. Take the time to weigh the powder in each of them if needed, before you restart. Do this especially when the indexing mechanism is affected. If you have any question about the charge in any case that you've already dropped a bullet on, pull it.


I've probably loaded 400k pistol rounds on my 650XL with only 1 squib load. That squib occurred when I was first learning about the machine. The machine works great, but there are a couple of finer points to remember about operation and setup.
 
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There’s a lot to keep track of when using a progressive press, especially when moving from the LCT. It would be a good idea to really slow down and check every step on every round for awhile until you get it adjusted just right and become comfortable with it.
 
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