Dick Lugar explains his vote

[glocksman]

The ususal BS. :banghead:

 

[Foreign Devil]

Where does he get the "dropped 65%" figure from?

 

[garrettwc]

Where does he get the "dropped 65%" figure from?

That is what I would call structuring the data to suit your presentation.

If the total use of these weapons were just under 2% (don't remember the exact number but this is close enough for an example) and it dropped to a little under 1% that is a 65% reduction.

It's a very dramatic way of reporting that nothing happened while still promoting your agenda that you're doing something.

 

[Waitone]

<BS Alert, Ah OOOGA, Ah OOOGA Message to follow>

Another thread explores the explanation by John Warner of VA why he voted the way he did on the recent gun control vate.

Senator Warner used the exact same figure of 65% reduction in cirmes done with AW's.

Now I'm really suspicious. Someone is floating BS data out there and it looks like spinelessrepublicans are biting off on it like it was a ham sandwich.

<BS Alert Cancelled>


Here 'tis.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=79626

 

[jfh]

looks to me like

two staffers--one from each Senator's office--got their heads together over coffee, and came up with the same plan and damn near the same letter.
They identified the salient points from the complaining letters, sorted out the double-speak to use--and did it.

All you need is the signature machine once the Senator approves it.

So, by this Friday afternoon they got one headache out of their bosses' hair--and all can go on to the next damage containment task.

Our taxes in action.

 

[El Tejon]

That man is a walking argument for term limits!

 

[kwelz]

I work for the GOP here in Indiana so I can't really say much about my opinion of Lugar. But yeah. I am sure you can all pretty much guess as to what it is.

 

[Sam Adams]

If the total use of these weapons were just under 2% (don't remember the exact number but this is close enough for an example) and it dropped to a little under 1% that is a 65% reduction.

What Lugar and all of the antis don't seem to realize is that the AWB didn't take any semi-auto rifles "off the street." Thus, all of the rifles that were somehow or other "responsible" (using the famed anti-gun "logic") for the original amount of crime pre-AWB are still out there. Oh, and in the intervening 9 1/2 years, there have been annual sales of probably 500,000 functionally-identical semi-auto rifles with slightly different cosmetic features. So now in 2004 you have the original stock of these rifles, plus nearly 5 million additional ones, and the rate of crime involving these guns has still DECLINED by nearly 2/3. ***? How can more guns = less crime, if the claim is that the AWB choked off the supply of these guns? First, it didn't, and second, even if it did you would expect that the crime rate would have remained at about the same level.

Of course, you could always take the position that the antis DO understand, and that they're just flat-out lying their assets off. Thus, the choice is between stupid or evil - not a very flattering choice, is it?

Another possibility is that somebody was playing games with the crime rate stats, either in '94 or at the present time. Given the nature of the occupants of the White House at those times, I'll give you one guess who's the one that had his Dept. of Justice mess with the figures.

Yet another factor is that the population of those in their late teens and twenties has declined as a percentage of the population over the last 10 years. Since these people commit the most crimes, crime rates per 100,000 population almost HAD to decline. Given that, I'd expect a decline in the rate of crime using semi-auto rifles.

Either way, Lugar is a moron. I'm very happy that he's not my Senator (though I've suffered worse in the past, having lived in the PRNJ for my whole prior to 3 1/2 years ago - I had to put up with Harrison Absam Williams, Bill Bradley, Lousyberg I, and Torrecelli).

 

[emc]

Lugar is totally worthless, and that's on a GOOD day!

FWIW,

emc

 

[CEShooter]

That's a lot more than I got from him. The only time he even mentioned anything about the AWB was when he thanked me for writing to him about it. All the rest was a poor excuse at side stepping the subject and trying to sound like a 2A supporter. What I wouldn't give for term limits for some people.

 

[Night Guy]

What a moron. He'll never have MY vote....ever.

 

[rich2u]

:banghead: :banghead: errrrrrrrrrrr

 

[atek3]

this is the same jerk that wants the UN to own the oceans, courtesy of the Law of the Sea Treaty, what do you expect.
Seriously, fire this repug.

atek3

 

[txgho1911]

If I had no clue he was a RINO

I would have hurled dinner tonight. My letter was dated April 22. When I spoke with one of his staffers and heard some mention of the 65% and was told it was something he found from FBI documentation or reports.
Lets figure out if Croddy or Eric Miller would be a good replacement for him. We can start working on some of this now.
Also when is Evan B up for re election.

Could some of us sue for making so many of us feel physicaly ill from this letter?

 

[emc]

FWIW, Bayh is up for re-election this year. Marvin Scott is the Republican opponent. I've met him, and heard him speak, and he's a credible candidate. Unfortunately, I wonder if the state GOP isn't bothering to give him any sort of serious support and publicity because they figure that they cannot beat Bayh, so it won't make any difference in the long run.

On the 65% issue, I'll repeat the questions that I posed on another thread:

1. Has anyone been able to actually get the source data that these guys are referring to, so that we can debunk it?

2. Who directed them to this data? The fact that so many of them are using it doesn't pass the smell test. One way or another this smacks of some behind the scenes coordinated effort by some anti-gun group.

emc

 

[burbanite]

Marvin Scott - gun owner.

 

[wingedmonkey]

"Senator Warner used the exact same figure of 65% reduction in cirmes done with AW's."

They're both using numbers supplied by the Brady Bunch. I have to suffer with Warner. He's worthless. Thank God I have a real Senator in George Allen.