Did cops have .30/30's?
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Chainsaw2
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I saw plenty of them back in the 50's and 60's as a kid in Texas. If they weren't an issue weapon to the Rangers, they were surely popular enough that it was the only rifle I ever saw them carry or be photographed with.
That modernized 464 looks a might foolish, but a collapsing stock may have it's uses. A standard type stock made of synthetics would be more than adequate, and mount the rifle with a 1-4X scope for long range uses.
jim
That modernized 464 looks a might foolish, but a collapsing stock may have it's uses. A standard type stock made of synthetics would be more than adequate, and mount the rifle with a 1-4X scope for long range uses.
jim
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Sorry, I know it's not terribly on topic, but I had to reference it after seeing that picture. lol
Art Eatman
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Back a dozen years or so, a deputy who was closing out a forty-year career still had his 94 as his preferred rifle.
The 1895 Winchester was a preference of many Texas Rangers, "back in the day". Into the 1930s, anyhow.
The 1895 Winchester was a preference of many Texas Rangers, "back in the day". Into the 1930s, anyhow.
rcmodel
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Kansas Highway Patrol officers had to supply their own rifles not to long ago.
Winchester 94's were popular.
A friend of mine was partial to a Marlin 1894 .44 Mag Guide gun, and carried it in his cruiser up to the day he retired.
He felt it was ideal for the typical short range car stop back-ups that might go south in a hurry.
I just imagine today, if you picked up all the Kansas Sheriffs cruisers in the state and shook them real hard?
A whole bunch of 30-30's would still fall out of the trunks.
rc
Winchester 94's were popular.
A friend of mine was partial to a Marlin 1894 .44 Mag Guide gun, and carried it in his cruiser up to the day he retired.
He felt it was ideal for the typical short range car stop back-ups that might go south in a hurry.
I just imagine today, if you picked up all the Kansas Sheriffs cruisers in the state and shook them real hard?
A whole bunch of 30-30's would still fall out of the trunks.
rc
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Let's not forget the .351 Winchester.
Leadbutt
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Up till 68' I carried one in 25-35 as a trunk gun in the squad, it was issued by the Sheriff and stamped so,after I came home from a small trip overseas the department had gone to Officer option and several had switched over to a mix of semi's
Carl N. Brown
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#11 photo is Blanche Barrow's arrest.
The Hollywood version would have the cops carrying Tommy guns, but truth is the '94 .30-30 was a common police and prison guard gun and still is in some areas.
OP: effective anti-personnel weapon? Twice the muzzle energy of the .30 M1 carbine, two-thirds the muzzle energy of the .30-06 Springfield. Even if you restricted yourself to the 160gr FMJ load, I'd say it was effective enough for most patrol use.
The Hollywood version would have the cops carrying Tommy guns, but truth is the '94 .30-30 was a common police and prison guard gun and still is in some areas.
OP: effective anti-personnel weapon? Twice the muzzle energy of the .30 M1 carbine, two-thirds the muzzle energy of the .30-06 Springfield. Even if you restricted yourself to the 160gr FMJ load, I'd say it was effective enough for most patrol use.
JohnM
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I had a Model 94 from about 1917 stamped New York State Troopers on the top strap of the metal butt plate.
Cosmoline
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I've heard many accounts of .30-30's, esp. Win 94's being used in the proto-carbine role by Rangers and other LEO's. There seems to be photographic evidence as well.
However, I've never heard of an *issued* Win 94 from any law enforcement department in the US. In Canada the Mounties had their Win 76's for a long long time but I don't know if they ever officially issued a .30-30. I know they used .30-30's to bring down the Mad Trapper of Rat River in the 30's. Took several hits to do it, too. But again I don't know if those were truly issued and stamped rifles.
The spruce guns were more of a backup military arm than one for law enforcement.
It sounds like JohnM has seen one stamped. That's pretty rare I believe.
However, I've never heard of an *issued* Win 94 from any law enforcement department in the US. In Canada the Mounties had their Win 76's for a long long time but I don't know if they ever officially issued a .30-30. I know they used .30-30's to bring down the Mad Trapper of Rat River in the 30's. Took several hits to do it, too. But again I don't know if those were truly issued and stamped rifles.
The spruce guns were more of a backup military arm than one for law enforcement.
It sounds like JohnM has seen one stamped. That's pretty rare I believe.
henschman
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As quickly as deer die when you shoot them through both lungs with one, I imagine it would be pretty effective against people too.
JohnM
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Cosmoline,
I bought it about 45 years ago.
Being young and dumb it was just an old rifle and since the blueing was about gone when I had a few extra bucks I took it to an old gunsmith I knew and had him reblue it. Told him to polish out that lettering on the butt plate.
Don't remember anymore if there was anything like issue or stock numbers.
All lost to history now.
I bought it about 45 years ago.
Being young and dumb it was just an old rifle and since the blueing was about gone when I had a few extra bucks I took it to an old gunsmith I knew and had him reblue it. Told him to polish out that lettering on the butt plate.
Don't remember anymore if there was anything like issue or stock numbers.
All lost to history now.
Cosmoline
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Ouch! Too bad about that but if there was one there must be more. Maybe someone has a photo to post.
There's an Illinois one for bid here:
http://www.icollector.com/Pre-War-W...rable-Illinois-State-Police-Marking_i11027872
It would be neat to have both carbine and revolver with the same unit stamps. I'll wager some police museums around the country have sets like that. Though I've seen a lot more "commemorative" unissued ones than the originals on display.
There's an Illinois one for bid here:
http://www.icollector.com/Pre-War-W...rable-Illinois-State-Police-Marking_i11027872
It would be neat to have both carbine and revolver with the same unit stamps. I'll wager some police museums around the country have sets like that. Though I've seen a lot more "commemorative" unissued ones than the originals on display.
Well, I have one from the local mounted police units from the 60's. I can see where it would be an advantage on horseback, and wouldn't carry far in the city.
Murphys Law
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I believe that the Michigan State Police carried them in their cars up till the early 1970's.
xfyrfiter
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I believe that the Border Patrol used model 94's while they still had mounted units, up til the mid to late 60's if my memory still serves. Also NMSP for a while.
dhepler
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For many years LAPD sgts carried one in the car
paintballdude902
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it you watch the auctions, its not rare for one thats police marked to show up. can you really think of a better patrol rifle prior to 1970? the m1 carbine maybe but id still take a .30-30 over an m1 carbine
rcmodel
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For cops patrolling the highways in this part of the country, I can't think of a much better rifle in 2012 either.
It will shoot through a car or truck from most angles.
The bullets don't blow up on glass.
And if you need to dispatch an injured 1,500 pound bull or horse in the highway?
Well, I'd rather try to do it with a 30-30 then a .223.
I think the AR-15 makes more sense in an urban or city environment.
But they don't have to kill road injured bulls & horses very often!
rc
Cosmoline
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What's the type and do you have some photos? For some reason I'm remembering Marlins going to the Mounties but I'm not sure. I'd love to see one.
Not very good photos but you can almost make out the CHP stamped on the receiver. Model 94 from 1966, it's seen more use by the police then me but I still shoot it once in awhile. It does have a steel butt plate instead of plastic. When I heard the story from the seller how it was traded in on an AR I was intrigued enough to buy it. The finish is still pretty good for being carried in a scabbard for years.
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oldpapps
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I started as a Deputy at the Platte County SO, that's in Missouri. I worked the jail at night and when I was board, I would read the old files. Blanch Barrow was arrested in Iowa and brought back to Missouri to stand trial in Platte County. She was given a very light sentence and sent on to other jurisdictions. One of the court bailiffs was an old deputy, Ollie, who had been a deputy when 'Bonnie and Clyde' had their shoot out with the KCPD at a motor court that was located where the Kansas City International Airport is now. After the shoot out, the Barrow's stopped to change bandages in old Ollie's driveway.
When I moved on to the North Kansas City Police Department, we had Winchester Model 92s in 32-20 in the gun locker. Never saw one removed and or loaded. The powers later traded them in to buy S&W Model 67s.
So, to the point. If NKCPD had Model 92s, it would stand to reason that other, less backward, departments would have Model 94s.
The SO changed weapons with the change of Sheriffs. That was back when the county was classed by the state as Third Class. I remember when they move up to Second Class and would suspect they are a First Class County by now.
I started as a Deputy at the Platte County SO, that's in Missouri. I worked the jail at night and when I was board, I would read the old files. Blanch Barrow was arrested in Iowa and brought back to Missouri to stand trial in Platte County. She was given a very light sentence and sent on to other jurisdictions. One of the court bailiffs was an old deputy, Ollie, who had been a deputy when 'Bonnie and Clyde' had their shoot out with the KCPD at a motor court that was located where the Kansas City International Airport is now. After the shoot out, the Barrow's stopped to change bandages in old Ollie's driveway.
When I moved on to the North Kansas City Police Department, we had Winchester Model 92s in 32-20 in the gun locker. Never saw one removed and or loaded. The powers later traded them in to buy S&W Model 67s.
So, to the point. If NKCPD had Model 92s, it would stand to reason that other, less backward, departments would have Model 94s.
The SO changed weapons with the change of Sheriffs. That was back when the county was classed by the state as Third Class. I remember when they move up to Second Class and would suspect they are a First Class County by now.
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