I was out at the range today with two other guys at the adjacant spot about 200 yards away. I heard a single shot and HUGE KABOOOOOOOM!!!! Made me jump. Then while I was thinking that could have been a tannerite explosion I hear this volley of shots that sounded like an automatic weapon. I thought...WHOA!!!! Curiosity got the best of me. I went over there and sure enough 1/4 pound of tannerite was the cause of the explosion. Both guys were shooting AR type weapons. I struck up a conversation with them and learned one guy had an attachment to his weapon that causes the trigger to continue to cycle by holding the trigger back. He had a certificate of sorts from the manufactor that stated it was completely legal as it was an external attachment. Let let rip with another volley and I swear it acted JUST like a full auto. Pretty cool to see the brass flying out and dirt kicking up. Any of you AR fans know of this? I guess I should have gotten the name of it but it was mounted on the right side and there was a hook like shoe that fitted over the trigger.
did I hear what I thought I heard?
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Yeah, I think you mean the SSAR-15 stock.
Its a technique called "bump-firing", and this stock lets you do it more easily.
Its a technique called "bump-firing", and this stock lets you do it more easily.
tyeo098
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Look like this?
http://www.slidefiresolutions.com/Product-SSAR-15.html
http://www.slidefiresolutions.com/Product-SSAR-15.html
Hanzo581
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Complete waste of ammo but I wouldn't mind giving one a go for a mag or two.
janobles14
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i have one and it works like a charm. put a vert grip on your rifle and you can really sling some lead. they are kinda pricey ($320 or so) but super fun! you will just about go broke though trying to feed it. i dont want to think about how much ammo ive run through. my arm hurts from running my reloading press...
The weapon is not the criminal. If someone fixes up an AR to shoot full auto it's just fine. It's fun. I think it's also stupid. We decided to make our M-16's shoot burst other than full auto for a reason. Full auto is not the most dangerous shooting. Accurate, aimed shooting is.
Sav .250
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No auto`s allowed at my range. Period.
Zach S
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Never tried the stock, but have used rubber bands with success.
451 Detonics
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Rubber bands work well with a little practice, but any form of rapid fire like that is more for fun than serious work and burning up ammo like that gets expensive. I sold all my FA toys and now just have my suppressed firearms.
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I don't have much desire to burn ammo that fast, and don't see much of any need for a full-auto, or full-auto 'simulator' in my collection. But, that still looks like fun after watching the youtube video, and for some reason I suddenly feel like I do need one, for some reason I can't quite explain 
Do those stocks really work as well as the video would make you believe?
Do those stocks really work as well as the video would make you believe?
kwelz
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They work just fine if you like throwing money downrange. I find it easier just to grab a few rolls of quarters and start throwing them at the target. It has about the same effectiveness and accuracy.
Full auto guns are commonplace in Oregon. Most guys are shooting 9mm submachine guns of some kind. I've shot a lot of machine guns in the Army and frankly, while fun to shoot, they don't blow my skirt up. I'm a fan of aimed semi-auto rifle fire, and that is what I taught my troops. We also had to hump our own ammo. Time to empty an old M16A1 20 rd magazine? Two point four seconds. Might as well fire one round and hit the enemy center mass. That'll kill'em too.
zstephens13
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You've got a pretty good arm if you can throw quarters with the same effectiveness and accuracy as a gun, full-auto or not!
Are you alluding to the instinctive shooting program the Army used for a while? When they were training soldiers to shoot that way I was in the Marine Corps. I was therefore never taught it. They taught instinctive shooting with a BB gun and pointed it like a shotgun. No sighting at all. I was told that some soldiers could hit a BB with a BB. Sounds pretty unbelievable to me. They did shoot at quarters though. Actually I never saw it done.
The Marine Corps does, or at least did, an excellent job training marines to shoot, but I doubt they've changed since the 60's. They had one instructor per shooter who knelt right next to you critiquing each and every shot. Also we went through the classic shooting positions. The Army, at least when I was with them, did not. All of our shooting was "foxhold supported". They fired while standing inside a foxhole. Now when GI's got to Ranger School I'm sure they trained differently. But I never attended.
There is a need for full automatic fire on the modern battlefield. But IMO aimed rifle fire is more effective. However when they break out that Big Fifty things change way down range. That M2HB Browning Machinegun which was designed in something like 1906 is still an amazing gun! It has been little changed, just make sure you re-check the headspace. Each gun comes with it's own headspace gauge.
The Marine Corps does, or at least did, an excellent job training marines to shoot, but I doubt they've changed since the 60's. They had one instructor per shooter who knelt right next to you critiquing each and every shot. Also we went through the classic shooting positions. The Army, at least when I was with them, did not. All of our shooting was "foxhold supported". They fired while standing inside a foxhole. Now when GI's got to Ranger School I'm sure they trained differently. But I never attended.
There is a need for full automatic fire on the modern battlefield. But IMO aimed rifle fire is more effective. However when they break out that Big Fifty things change way down range. That M2HB Browning Machinegun which was designed in something like 1906 is still an amazing gun! It has been little changed, just make sure you re-check the headspace. Each gun comes with it's own headspace gauge.
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To those who comment on the waste of ammo from a full auto rifle.....in combat it has a purpose...it is called supressive fire.......basic squad tactics....one fire team provides supressive fire on the enemy position while the other team maneuvers....then the roles are reversed and the manuver team becomes the supressive or base of fire unit. While I agree that in a defensive position aimed fire is best.....think about how you react to an ambush...if you start trying to take a firing position and deliver aimed semi auto fire when an ambush is sprung on you.....you are most likely gonna die as you are in the kill zone.....your only hope is to flip over to full auto and assault into the ambush......in this situation volume of fire is your friend......
Holy 80s on that hellfire video.
I own a slide fire stock, it's fun. I don't shoot retarded amounts of ammo downrange, and you can shoot 1 at a time with it if you wish. While it's not as accurate as a single shot, it still hits the target. I'd say 5 to 6 inch groups free hand at 50 yards. I mean, it's a 5.56, not a 30-06,; it's pretty easy to control.
I own a slide fire stock, it's fun. I don't shoot retarded amounts of ammo downrange, and you can shoot 1 at a time with it if you wish. While it's not as accurate as a single shot, it still hits the target. I'd say 5 to 6 inch groups free hand at 50 yards. I mean, it's a 5.56, not a 30-06,; it's pretty easy to control.
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I have seen the AR Stock on You Tube-but don't have an AR! I contacted them-they are verynice people and are working on a Mini14 version-which I do have. Have had a Hell-fire on my HK-91 for years. It works! While firing it at the range during qualifications(I was a State LEO and we had to qual with every gun we carried-i could keep 6-7 rd bursts on a B27 @ 50 yds. Longer bursts got too high-an under 10# 308 in full auto is a handful if you are serious about scores!
Now I have to admit that I went through serious infantry tactics in the 60's when we were firing M-14's. One per fire team was supposed to have the full auto switch which turned it into a full auto rifle, like the old BAR. It also fired a 20 rd magazine. We understood laying down a field of fire and then assaulting. For full auto fire we relied upon the M-60. Each guy in the squad carried two 100 belts of ammo for the 60, or even more. (plus someone got to hump the base plate, and another guy the tube and we each carried one or two 60mm mortor rounds. Then we had the M-79 guy. When I was "in" the M-79 was new. The M203 was a long ways off, and so was the M-247 (9?). The M-16 had not been heard of. Oh, we carried the LAW, now long gone I think. We hoped it'd be an anti-tank weapon. It wasn't. We still carried the PRC-25 with it's long whip antenna. Good target. Also PRC 7's as I recall.
Volumn of fire must be different today. The modern infantrymen can carry more ammo since it's lighter, and you have vehicles that can provide re-supply in combat. We had the 113. A ZU23 made short work of a 113. The the Duce 1/2 was way back. We had the ONTOS but it wasn't as good as we hoped it'd be. Today you have the Dragon which we did not. We did eventually did have REDEYE and TOW, but I was out of the infantry by then.
We not only didn't have a fully automatic rifle, we weren't allowed to have one. Most M-14's didn't even have the selector switch. We went in about like they did in WWII, with a heavy semi-auto rifle with a knife stuck on the front. Lay down a field of fire. Advance until you get within granade range, toss a few and charge at a fast walk using cover and conceilment until you make the final rush. Then we were to stand up and walk to the objective with the butt of the weapon in the crotch of your thigh. By that time hopefully it wasn't too far away. It was crossing rice paddies that was hard. They could be pretty wide and the enemy conceiled in the tree line on the other side. Then we'd try to get napalm from an A-4 into the game. (That's what I did.) Arty too.
Volumn of fire must be different today. The modern infantrymen can carry more ammo since it's lighter, and you have vehicles that can provide re-supply in combat. We had the 113. A ZU23 made short work of a 113. The the Duce 1/2 was way back. We had the ONTOS but it wasn't as good as we hoped it'd be. Today you have the Dragon which we did not. We did eventually did have REDEYE and TOW, but I was out of the infantry by then.
We not only didn't have a fully automatic rifle, we weren't allowed to have one. Most M-14's didn't even have the selector switch. We went in about like they did in WWII, with a heavy semi-auto rifle with a knife stuck on the front. Lay down a field of fire. Advance until you get within granade range, toss a few and charge at a fast walk using cover and conceilment until you make the final rush. Then we were to stand up and walk to the objective with the butt of the weapon in the crotch of your thigh. By that time hopefully it wasn't too far away. It was crossing rice paddies that was hard. They could be pretty wide and the enemy conceiled in the tree line on the other side. Then we'd try to get napalm from an A-4 into the game. (That's what I did.) Arty too.
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