Did Remington drop the ball AGAIN? RM380

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I have been wanting one since it was announced, Remington was supposed to start mass production in April and you would think they would be hitting re sellers by now, NOTHING! At this point I don't even want to risk the mess it will be, especially after the R51.

It's a shame what has become of a historic company.
 
I've seen messages from several folks who have seen them, handled them, and in a few cases, bought them.

It's a new gun -- it may take a while to get into the pipeline (to where you are located.)

The reviews I've seen have been good and no mention of problems.
 
Its too early to say if they missed their dates. In June a rep from Remington was saying they would ship August/September.

If they don't ship by the end of September than they've blown it.
 
As of July 6th, word on the Rohrbaugh forum was August or September. The last post on page one,

"Just spoke with my LGS manager right in the figurative front yard of Remington's Huntsville Alabama facility and he said the same, a few months away, August or September."

www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7808.0

Fwiw, earlier in the same thread Eric Rohrbaugh said, "I will be picking one up for myself. . . . . Just because of the lineage."
 
I don't know what the trigger will be like on the RM380, but the Rohrbaugh R9 and R380 had good double-action triggers.

Unless you're going to carry an HK P7 you basically have 4 choices IMO:

1) Carrying a firearm that must be racked before it is ready to fire

2) A gun with a manual safety

3) A gun with sufficiently long and sufficiently heavy trigger pull to prevent it from firing if the trigger is snagged

4) A gun that can go off if the trigger is snagged
 
I do not think that Remington dropped the ball in the sense that they made a pocket .380ACP, just that they made one about 10 years too late. I might have give the RM380 a look, but over the years, I got my fair share of pocket/deep concealment pistols (2 LCPs, XDS-45, Shield9) and the RM380, in my eyes, is just an aluminum framed LCP that looks kind of funky, but has better sights. There is a market for the pistol, but the customers banging at the door already bought LCPs, TCPs, Shields, XDSs, G42s, G43s, etc. Now the customer base is considerably smaller.
 
I do not think that Remington dropped the ball in the sense that they made a pocket .380ACP, just that they made one about 10 years too late ... in my eyes, is just an aluminum framed LCP that looks kind of funky, but has better sights.
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The RM380 is a slightly modified Rohrbaugh R380. The R380 is basically an R9 chambered for .380 AUTO.

The Rohrbaugh R9 was introduced in 2005, the Ruger LCP was introduced in 2008.

Remington would have been even later to the party if they had to design, tool-up and produce a 380 from scratch. They purchased the Rohrbaughs' designs and their machining equipment, moved the magazine release from the heel to just below the trigger guard, added a slide stop lever and clanged the name to RM380.
 
There is one RM380 listed for sale on Gunbroker. Auction closes in 7 days on 11/12/15. But the pic's are canned, not of actual pistol.
 
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what hasnt remington been dropping the ball on over the last few years?.. thatll be a shorter list
 
Remington, as a company, is dead to me. Freedom Group guns commonly have factory defects, their QC is horrendous, fit and finish are rough and lousy. I bought a new Remington 870, numerous factory defects. It was an AOW so not easy to send back for repairs so I had to do them myself with the help of a gunsmith. Why would any of you buy a modern Remington, they are generally junk. I'm done with them.
 
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Remington, as a company, is dead to me. Freedom Group guns commonly have factory defects, their QC is horrendous, fit and finish are rough and lousy. I bought a new Remington 870, numerous factory defects. It was an AOW so not easy to send back for repairs so I had to do them myself with the help of a gunsmith. Why would any of you buy a modern Remington, they are generally junk. I'm done with them.
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these are my feelings as well about freedom group.. wont buy anything they make.. unfortunately its not just them cutting corners anymore and pushing crappy products off onto us.. im about done with mainstream firearms manufacturers completely
 
I'm about done with mainstream firearms manufacturers completely
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Charter Arms seems to be an acknowledged place to go for quality revolvers these days. Of course, the current owners had a lot of room for improvement. But the company seems to have hit it's stride lately, while still offering a lot of bang for the buck.
 
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Charter Arms seems to be an acknowledged place to go for quality revolvers these days. Of course, the current owners had a lot of room for improvement. But the company seems to have hit it's stride lately, while still offering a lot of bang for the buck.
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i have one of their revolvers in 44 special, i like it, though im not really big into revolvers anymore in general
 
Remington/Freedom Arms. They don't care about us. They want the new buyers. That don't know anything Just want a pistol rifle or shotgun. Impulse buy. .

I won't own a new S&W all mine are older . Real blue real firing pin and No lock or MIM . 29 10 36 37 49 are the one I own.

But new buyers are buying the S&W up same with the Freedom Group .Want that new buyer CCW holder , Hunter . Looks and quality control are not #1 its $$$$. That's always the bottom line
 
Rm.380

I want a small, dependable, lightweight handgun, that "will be" a more than "reasonable", but reliable pocket CCW !

Is the RM380 that, or just a smaller duplication of the R51 ? (I meant the additional mistake, like the R51, but in a smaller size, not in the design).

At over $350, and the past "mistakes", I'm thinking Ruger !

What's the latest on RM380 info ? Boom or bust ?
 
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Is the RM380 that, or just a smaller duplication of the R51 ?
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It really doesn't have anything to do with the R51. Remington purchased the R9/R380 design, and machinery from Rohrbaugh Firearms.

They moved the magazine release from the heel to the side of the frame and they added a slide stop lever. They changed the angle of the trigger guard and added a little bit of a beaver tail to the backstrap...

There are some parts now that are MIM instead of machined steel, but the gun is basically what the Rohrbaugh brothers were producing.

I was able to handle one, I think the trigger is similar to the R9 but its not the same. It starts out the same as the R9 but right before it breaks there is definitely a wall and the trigger is much heavier than my R9 at that point.

Some people have reported inconsistency in the trigger from one gun to the next - just trying them out at the LGS.

The R380s were nice guns with smooth DOA triggers - but they were $1200.00 guns.

I'm guessing the R380 would benefit from a fluff & buff, and if not, the trigger will improve with time.

The only people I know (so far), who actually own these Remingtons are over on the Rohrbaugh Forum:

http://www.rohrbaughforum.com/index.php?topic=7808.60
 
I can't imagine that the RM380 will sell well. The pocket .380 market void was mostly filled by the Ruger LCP and followed by the Beretta Pico and Glock 42. Yes, I know the Kel-Tec P3AT came before the LCP, but it did not storm the .380 market like the LCP.
 
Cabela's near me had an RM380, nice to see it comes with 2 mags. Other than that, I don't see what the fuss is about. For a DAO pistol the trigger is OK, felt like an LC9 to be honest.
 
"I don't see what the fuss is about"
Oh, people are just salivating for another R51 fiasco. The mini 380 market is so over-served by identical or better offerings, that there is literally no other interest in the new gun. I suspect when word gets out the gun is acceptable (all indications point to it being a functional gun of unremarkable quality) people will largely stop talking about it. There is nothing exciting about the thing at all :)

"Let's wait awhile, like with the R51, then maybe"
Why? Word got out within two weeks of shipping that the R51 had serious and widespread issues. Pretty much the same story as any other gun that had serious or widespread issues.
 
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