"Since I was alive and actively shooting during the time periods,"
How many guns were you building? Did Moses and the Pharoh shoot >38 Super or .45 ACP?
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"I feel compelled to comment on a few inaccuracies.
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Originally Posted by richyoung
AT this time, bullseye and other competition shooters routinely have slide to frame play reduced by squeezing slides and peening frame rails down.
ONLY because gunrag writers were telling everyone that this was the ONLY way to get a 45 to shoot accurately. "
Didn't say WHY, just said it was so,..and you agreed - so where is the inaccuracy?
"As a result everyone with a vise mounted to their workbench became "pisstillsmiths". This was also a time when the market was flooded with used and abused GI surplus 45s at rock bottom prices. Instead of replacing the worn out parts with new ones, chucking it in a vise was the "fad". It was another one of those sounds-good-on-paper ideas. Once people woke up and realized that there was a whole lot more involved in accuracy than frame to slide fit vising the slide quickly fell from grace."
???
That would be news to Eagle Arms and Cache Creek Fly Shop in my home town of Lawton, Ok, both of whom are happily building carry and competition guns by...squeezing slides and peening rails. Today. In the 21st century. (When they don't buy a pre-fitted slide and frame from Caspian.
) And they don't seem to be the only ones, as all the online 1911 smith's web sights feature something along the lines of "Tighten frame to slide fit - $200".(This very process built the best gun I will ever own with a COLT slide, no less. Shot 1.5" groups with anything at 25 yards off of sandbags before it was stolen. Stupid me, it might have shot one hole groups if I hadn't had the slide tightened.
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Originally Posted by richyoung
The "Series 70" collet bushing...they invented a new one with springy fingers that engaged the slide and supported the part that the barrel rides in,
"The fingers contacted the barrel NOT the slide."
My bad - I haven't seen one in 13 years - round these parts that potential killer is the first part to hit the scrap heap, and I've been avoiding them like a vampire ducks daylight.
"The "part the barrel rides in" IS the bushing."
Tha barrel goes in one part, and the other part ties the whole mess to the slide. One part - "bushing" that is the interface between two other parts, slide and barrel.
"And Colt did NOT "invent" it. It's NOT an original Colt idea."
Then Colt is a DOUBLE IDIOT - I'm sure their in-house engineers could have come up with something just as bad. However, I wil conceed that I was in error, and more correctly should have stated "jumped on the rather shacky bandwagon of" rather than "invented" - thanks for correcting me.
"It was another one of those sounds-good-on-paper ideas.
Unfortunately ALL of the fingered bushing players eventually realized that it was almost impossible to keep equal tension on all fingers and that durability wasn't consistant. However I have seen more than a few original Mark IV Series 70 Government models that still are going strong with their original barrels and bushings. I personally owned several that never had any problems and only one that did."
In a carry gun that will get you killed. How many SOLID bushing guns have you had quit on you due to bushing failure, (not improper fit, but FAILURE) in your shooting career? This is a "Why do people have a problem with Colt" thread, remember? The collet bushing IS one of the reasons - again, I fail to see the "inaccuracies" you are talking about, (unless you are talking about the group size out of a collet-bushing gun...).
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Originally Posted by richyoung
OK first a 1911 has to fall 21 feet straight on its muzzle for the firing pin to hit the primer hard enough to MAYBE set it off.
"POPPYCOCK! In what comic book did you learn this factoid?"
U.S.Army drop tests, if I recall correctly. From about the time they were considering the -A1 mods (BEFORE they did their manuals in comic book form, BTW!)
"I have PERSONALLY WITNESSED it happen from armpit height."
From "American Hangunner", on the FBI 1911 tests:
"During the drop test, guns were dropped onto concrete from a height of 4 feet, landing three times on the muzzle and three times on the butt. The throw test was conducted at 15 feet with the guns heaved onto concrete, twice on the left side and twice on the right. "The guns were pretty beat up after that," Williams deadpanned. However, none of the primed empty cases in the chambers popped and none of the magazines came loose, so it was on to the "field suitability" test."
4 feet is about armpit height for most folks - did you see Charles Barkley drop his piece?
Or perhaps someone had one of them ther "pisslsmiff" trigger jobs and no half-cock notch on the one that was dropped?
". And if dropped in condition two it is almost a foregone conclusion."
That's why you should carry cocked and locked...
"Titanium firing pins? Extra heavy firing pin springs? Both of those often create more problems than they cure."
...and NOBODY has had a Series 80 firing pin stay locked because of unburned powder and crud tying up the plunger, or the plunger sticking down and locking up the gun, or light fining pin strikes, (or worse yet, a firing pin sticking out of the breechface) due to the extra powder and crud that gets into the firing pin tunnel thru the S-80 plunger, or failure of the plunger to re-lock the firing pin if you lower the hammer on a live round?
"Firing pin safety tied to the grip safety? Dropping a gun on it's muzzle can depress the grip safety."
And exactly how high that would have to be would depend on the sear spring and the grip safety in question - how high do you reckon that is?
"Gritty trigger pull? Possibly but not because of the Series 80 Safety."
Then who, pray tell, is buying al those block-off adapters? Slightly out-of-spec series 80 parts CAN make for a lousy trigger pull, and that is one of the reasons people don't like Colt - (thread topic, remember?)
" I have had MANY people comment that I must have removed my Series 80 parts. NOPE all still intact."
I'm happy you have a good one - not everone is so fortunate.
" Have you heard all of the good comments on the SIG Granite Series trigger pulls. Guess what. SERIES 80 all the way. A Sig slide will even work on a Colt frame and vice versa. (Yeppers, Tried it. Done it.)"
I have no doubt in SIG's ability to execute a Colt solution to a non-existent problem at a far higher standard of quality.
"Heard complaints on the K.I.M.ber Schwartz Safety? It's been mentioned in several threads. And it's called a Schwartz Safety because that's what Colt called it before they DUMPED the idea 60 years ago."
Speaking of "inaccuracies", Colt didn't "dump" the Schwartz safety - they stopped making it because they shifted to war time production, and the government didn't order its pistols with it. Post-war - Colt apparently decided to base their commercial models on the war-time production, (maybe had a lot of parts left over??), and duidn't re-introduce it. Colt no more "dumped" the Schwarts thant they "dumped" the SAA - they just didn't resume production of this option, among many more things, post-war.
"Now as to the "plastic" parts issue... Yes Colt still uses Nylon for the mainspring housing. BIG WHOOP! Have you EVER heard of one going bad? I haven't. Has anyone else? I only replaced mine because I replace ALL arched housings with flat ones. And on two occasions I replaced nylon arched ones with nylon flat ones and was completely happy."
Are you betting your life on these guns, or are they fancy toys for competition? Do as you will, but I don't trust NYLON for automotive timing gears OR mission-critical components on a defensive pistol - many others feel the same way and thats ONE OF THE REaSONS TO DISLIKE COLT! (That old "Thread topic" thingy again....)
"I have no problem selling or trading away every single flat nylon housing and long nylon trigger I can get my hands on."
...and pawn shops have no problem selling every Raven, Jennings, and Hi-Point they get in - doesn't make them good.
"Now it's all well and good to prefer another brand. But if you're going to badmouth something and try to influence someone elses opinions..."
not bad-mouthing - answering the question posed in the first post of this thread - "Why do some people have a problem with Colt?" I defy you to quote me anywhere saying NOT to buy a Colt - in fact I have repeatedly lamented the theft of my previous 1911, which except for the frame , grips, and recoil system, was all Colt. All I have done is list the greivances.
" at least get your fact straights. Hells Bellsâ„¢ just find some facts."
Everything I said is a fact, and a reason SOME PEOPLE, (obviously not you), dislike Colt, also facts. Your OPINION is such dislike is unmerited.
(edited to stay closer to the "High Road")