Differing prices & conversion cylinders

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I've been looking closely at the Remington '58 and the Colt '51 Navy as possible BP pistols to buy along with their conversion cylinders. I noticed that, while at Cabelas, the 58 Remmie is is $199.00, at Cimarron it is $277.00; and while the Cabelas 51s are around $199 as well (that is even with white grips), the Cimarron pistol is $278. Any reason for this?

Also, looking at the R&D cylinders at Cimarron vs. the Kirst Converters. Cimarrons come with the notice that "Some modifications may be necessary".. what would that mean, exactly?
 
What you see at Cabela's is Pietta (except for revolvercarbines and 31 pocket revolver), what you see at Cimarron is Uberti. What I've heard about Cimarron's Uberti's is all good. But, more expensive.
 
"Some modifications may be necessary".. what would that mean, exactly?

Sometimes, timing adjustments are necessary to get the cylinder to align properly.
 
From what I have read in the "Blue Book", Cimarron buys Uberti, then their gunsmiths go through them to time and tune them before they are sold. That is why the extra cost.
 
Cabela's

Years ago Cabela's sold Uberti.. at least the one in my neck of the woods did. This particular store went outta business and I got a deal on the 58 Remington by Uberti($178.00). I can't think of a place where both Pietta and Uberti are sold side by side, and probably for good reason. Back when I bought the Uberti, about a week later I saw a Pietta Remington and the difference was obvious. The workmanship of Uberti far surpassed Pietta AT THAT Time... Small things like the trigger. It looked like a piece from a toy cap gun, stamped out metal on the Pietta, where the Uberti looked like a machined piece. The trigger/cocking and handling felt much better on Uberti.

OK so all that said. I understand that Pietta has come a long way, but I would stick with the Uberti since you generally gets what you pay for. Moving along, the same day I purchased the Uberti, I ordered the R&D conversion cylinder. I just couldn't move myself to using the dremel sanding barrel to groove out a loading notch in the beautifully finished Uberti. The Krist conversion might be ok if you only want to shoot long colts, but I think its gonna be awkward when you want to shoot BP.

With the R&D, I believe I have the best of both worlds.. Drop the conversion cylinder in and I can shoot at any indoor range (Most don't allow BP) swap cylinders and I'm good to go with BP. I will say one other thing. The Remington by Uberti has very close tolerances. When shooting BP I needed to get involved with the bore butter/beeswax/canola oil mixture, or the cylinder pin could not be removed. I couldn't even get the cylinder to fire more than 6 rounds since cylinder would not rotate, it would stick.. Silly me I haddn't read through this board enough to realize that petrolium based oil gums up the works. I had to thoroughly clean the Uberti and apply the BBC mixture refered to above.

Now a day at the range is most enjoyable although taking that pin out can still be a little difficult. It takes a little wiggling before it slides forward.
Go with the Uberti/R&D and don't look back.

KKKKFL
 
I think that is hype about Cimarron having gunsmiths go over and tune all their guns. I guess they missed mine. Maybe they mean that the gunsmiths at "Six Shooters" in Texas go over the guns when they have a return authorization number on them and are returned to the gunsmiths to be replaced or repaired at their discression? I had an Open Top that had the arbor slot too far forward. The gunsmiths wacked it with a hammer to peen the metal for a quick fix. I complained and got another pistol. New in box...with the firing pin hole and the firing pin too high to hit the primer in the center. I got disgusted and just kept the gun since it will fire with my reloads using CCI primers. It will misfire when using any other brand of primers. CCI has a different type larger anvil in the primer so they don't misfire. When I bought the Open Top 45 Scholfields(two of them) I exchanged three for defects in the arbor/wedge/barrel/cylinder relationship and eyeballed several at the store and wouldn't buy them because if ill fit in the wedge and arbor area. The wedges either were too tight to go in more than half the way without binding the cylinder or the wedges would go all the way in and not tighten the barrels. The problems were not able to be noticed at the gun store usually because they don't let you set the wedge in or anything. The wedges seat in with firing and the only way to see there is a problem some of the times is to fire the gun. Anyway... I don't like the return policy of Cimarron. If the new gun is defected than the customer should have it replaced with a new non-defected gun rather than a new gun that has had gunsmith work done on it to make an attempt to make it right. My money is good so I want a good gun for it. Not a gunsmithed repaired gun. Know what I mean? The Uberti guns are fine guns for sure and there are models made in Italy that are made no where else. The Italian guns just need a good examination before buying no matter where you buy them. Oh, by the way. My buddy has a gun that is the Uberti Richards 1860 and we're wondering how to align the chambers properly instead of him sending it to the gunsmiths at "Six Shooters" in Texas. I guess the gunsmiths missed that one too!
 
Fit & Finish

I've never seen a Uberti that wasn't precise... I have seen Pietta's like rifle describes. Focusing on the replacement cylinders however, I think is more troublesome. For instance, when Krist says that you can use .45 Colt is that a Long colt or the Schoefield round. The latter is harder ammunition to come by. I went to their web page, and its not all that clear. The have a picture of the .36 Navy but I'm not sure what one would be getting.

I wanted to shoot .45Long Colt, and .454 (to leave a ring) BP, so I went with R&D. For a long time I kept looking at Richards-Mason conversion guns, but was put off when folks complained about reliability.

I have never seen a Kirst model at our range, and that was another motivation to steer clear, but I sure wouldn't mind hearing from someone who's moccasins have been down the Kirst path.

KKKKFL
 
I think that is hype about Cimarron having gunsmiths go over and tune all their guns. I guess they missed mine. Maybe they mean that the gunsmiths at "Six Shooters" in Texas go over the guns when they have a return authorization number on them and are returned to the gunsmiths to be replaced or repaired at their discression? I had an Open Top that had the arbor slot too far forward. The gunsmiths wacked it with a hammer to peen the metal for a quick fix. I complained and got another pistol. New in box...with the firing pin hole and the firing pin too high to hit the primer in the center. I got disgusted and just kept the gun since it will fire with my reloads using CCI primers. It will misfire when using any other brand of primers. CCI has a different type larger anvil in the primer so they don't misfire. When I bought the Open Top 45 Scholfields(two of them) I exchanged three for defects in the arbor/wedge/barrel/cylinder relationship and eyeballed several at the store and wouldn't buy them because if ill fit in the wedge and arbor area. The wedges either were too tight to go in more than half the way without binding the cylinder or the wedges would go all the way in and not tighten the barrels. The problems were not able to be noticed at the gun store usually because they don't let you set the wedge in or anything. The wedges seat in with firing and the only way to see there is a problem some of the times is to fire the gun. Anyway... I don't like the return policy of Cimarron. If the new gun is defected than the customer should have it replaced with a new non-defected gun rather than a new gun that has had gunsmith work done on it to make an attempt to make it right. My money is good so I want a good gun for it. Not a gunsmithed repaired gun. Know what I mean?
 
Quality Issues and Conversion Cylinders

Howdy Y'all,

I'll sum up my "Cowboy Gun" quality experiances...

(1) Ordered a "Lightning" .38 special from Cimmaron. Expensive and took two months to get it.:rolleyes: Uberti made, totally beautiful well made gun, perfectly fitted and checkered birdshead grips. But it was not reliable; firing pin was too short. Didn't always go BANG.:fire:
Sent 'er back to Fredricksburg and all was well when she showed up on my porch. Totally reliable and super accurate but the little birdshead gripa were a mistake. Just didn't fit my long fingers so I sold the pretty little thing at a Gun Show for a loss.:(

(2) Bought a Uberti "Cattleman" at Bass Pro. Nice gun and an attractive price.
Shoots Great and no problems at all.:)

(3) Ordered a Pietta 1860 Army and a R&D .45 Colt conversion cylinder from Taylor's. They said they would test fit the cylinder and check timing before shipping. Package arrived in just a few days. Taylor's is a great outfit !:)
Polish on barrel could have been better and the blue was a little thin but the price was right and man, does this thing SHOOT !:D MUCH more accurate than the Uberti Cattleman.

(4) Ordered a 1858 Pietta Remington from Cabela's and an R&D Cylinder from Midway. Very good prices and BOTH companies have very good shipping and return policies. Pietta Remmie was better finished than their Colt but had ragged machine marks under top strap. Don't show so who cares?Insides were well fitted. Had to send the R&D back because Pietta got new machinery a couple years ago and had changed the size of their bolt and the cylinder's notches were too small. Decided to try a gated Kirst Konverter. Spent about three hours w/Dremel grinding the loading port.
Slipped the Kirst in and everything worked perfectly! :cool:
Most accurate pistol I own and I paid less than two hundred bucks for it!:p

(5) Ordered a STAINLESS Pietta 1858 Remmie from Taylors via "Big Irons Barrelworks". They were gonna shorten the barrel to match my other Remmie's 5 1/2 tube and install a dovetail front sight. That was back in September, I'm still waiting, let y'all know what I think once she gets here...:rolleyes:

To sum-up, Pietta offers a lot of gun for the money. There may be some rough edges but mine both worked and shot fine. Replace the nipples w/TRESO or TRM versions and your set ! You can always touchup cosmetic issues on your own. I'm not afraid to try a little home gunsmithing on a
$ 199.00 revolver. ;) I've had some fun and learned a few things. I think any of these Italian clones vary in quality unit to unit, I recommend an outfit with a liberal return policy if you are going the mail order route.

Happy Trails,

Cincinnati Slim
 
I've been reading, and reading, and reading, and reading, and reading, and reading, and reading, everything the internet has to say about the 1858 remington and all it's replicas. Then I read most of it again.

One thing I've noticed in particular, is the only people that say bad things about current production Piettas are people who don't actually own one. Go to Cabelas.com and look at all the really good reviews given to the Piettas by their customers. There are no bad reviews, not even one. I have also read about various issues with Uberti guns - they are NOT perfect as so many people like to believe. Given that, I don't see a single reason to pay more for an Uberti. If you get a Pietta of poor quality just send it back. Spend the extra cash on bullets...or beer.

Personally, I went with Euroarms because it's the only one that's actually a replica. :neener:
 
Just wondering if EuroArms remmies are true replicas ...folks back in the day must have had awful small paws ....My Euro Remmie rubs the fur off the front of one of my fingers ..because the trigger guard is too close to the grip frame for folks with big paws .....My Pietta remmie ...fits sooooooooooo right .
I`ve heard it both ways some say the Pietta is closer to original .....
Does anyone really know for sure ...an inquireing mind would like to know .:confused:
 
I don't remember where, but I've seen side by side pictures. The Pietta and Uberti are significantly larger. And yes, people were smaller in the 1800s. No McDonalds then. ;)
 
.45 Colt vs. Schofield

When they say .45 Colt, that's what they mean. .45 Schofield is aka .45 Smith & Wesson. I looked into all of this last year.
 
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