Dillon 650 vs RCBS Pro 200 vs Hornady LNL

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rhett1977

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I'm fixing to take the plunge I to progressives. These are the three I have looked T plus the Dillon 550. I don't load enough to need a bullet and case feeder. That said, I'll probably buy them anyway just to have them. My pistol shooting is ramping up and my RockChucker is way too much work. I'm not looking for fans of a certain brand. For those of who who now own one of these, would you have done it differently knowing now what you know? I hear people brag on the Dillons a lot but have no experience with them. Any and all I do will be greatly appreciated.
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IMHO any differences are at the margin. FREX if many different cartridges are loaded with different primer sizes the RCBS has some good points. For a dedicated cartridge there's nothing better than the Dillon 650 assuming a case feeder. The LNL is the best buy and a good choice for changing cartridges within a family. Bullet feeders have drawbacks for folks who switch cartridges a lot and want to load home cast bullets with soft lube. Case feeders have no drawbacks assuming the rig is solidly mounted enough.
 
I'm not looking for fans of a certain brand.

You'll find lots of fans here for all three brands. I still think that what ever press you buy and learn to operate correctly will be your favorite. Few of us can afford to buy one of each so we are limited to the first one that we buy that we have good luck with.

All three are good, I use the Hornady, they all have their quirks. I don't regret buying the Hornady at all. I will buy a second one sometime this year but not because it's so great, because I already have one and all my pieces and parts will interchange. I've had really good luck with my LNL-AP, it changes over to a different caliber really quickly.

Honestly, you can't go wrong with any of those three so which ever one you choose, you will like it a lot.
 
This is NOT a post to influence you to buy a progressive like mine. Only one to explain why one might actually prefer it and pick it over a blue or red press. At the same time it's an attempt to show why another press might fit you better........it just depends on the loader/shooter's needs.

The more calibers you reload the more you will appreciate a simple press. There is no press simpler, with fewer moving parts than my RCBS Pro 2000. I load 4 pistol calibers, and 4 rifle calibers....and counting. No factory case feeder. Bullet feeders work great if you want that. (because of its simplicity, it is also pretty easy to mod, and so I was tempted to try to build my own homemade case feeder....$80 later I succeeded.)

Here's the thing: Dillons are super duper for what they are made for....to make IPSC and IDPA shooters very happy.....set up the competition caliber and load like hell. But you can change calibers on a Pro 2000, including primer size, in the time it takes a Dillon 650 owner to change primer size. Changing primer size on my press takes 8 seconds without practice. I often load two calibers in one evening session, and sometimes three.

Hornady uses the same powder measure as RCBS....it does have a larger hopper...you have to pay extra for that on RCBS. Hornady licenses the Uniflow design, and they came up with a killer case-activated linkage for it, so that it could be used with the AP. RCBS licenses Hornady's linkage (since their own first one stunk) for the Uniflow used in the Pro 2000. Both have powder dies and powder through expanders available to make changing powder extremely fast. IOW's you buy extra powder dies for each caliber....instead of extra powder measures for each caliber, Dillon style.

The tool (die) heads for the pistol calibers I have set up are populated with dies, in ready-adjustment for that caliber....which includes powder dies, and bullet feeder dies. Slide on, drop in two pins, drop the powder measure on...all set to load.

If you like CCI primers, then buying preloaded APS strips of them is the fastest and safest way to prime period. Changing primers is simply grabbing a different box. (and maybe an 8 second primer rod change if needed) No tubes to load...ready to go already. No tubes to explode either. If you prefer other brands of primers, the loading primers into strips is about the same as pecking primers into tubes. This is RCBS's APS system.

Hornady's primer system is less trouble free. There are plenty of threads on the three forums I see, on tuning their primer system.

Dillon's primer systems work smoother than Hornady's but all systems are capable of loading a primer in sideways and possibly kabooming up to 100 primers at once. That's why they have protective sleeves....so that you only have hearing loss and a hole in the ceiling. (and of course free parts to order from Dillon to replace the mangled ones) APS kabooms are rarer than hen's teeth, and even then, can only light one to three .... primers.

If you have to have the speed of case feeders, bullet feeders, and even possibly a motorized crank, then Dillon is your machine. But don't expect to change calibers daily....that's going to get old.

If you want 3-5 separate twist-lock dies to handle every time you change calibers, rather than instant inserting of pre-populated tool heads, then maybe Hornady makes the press you want. Just be careful you don't grab a wrong die.....there's going to be a lot to keep track of if you load many calibers.

For me, I like the simplicity of a press that is set up once, and never gets out of sync.....and no rods and things to distract the watching of what's important.....powder charge. Keep in mind that case feeders slow down caliber changes. Interesting...Hornady's bullet feeder does not. That's why I bought and use one on my RCBS Pro 2000.

One more thing....there is NO such thing as a perfect press. Not even the Dillon 1050.....just a perfect-fitting press, tweaked for you, which ever color or model does it for you. Don't expect another's research and decision to pick your press. Take your time and do your own research. You can go wrong with any of the presses if it doesn't fit you.
 
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The main difference between the 550 and LNL, 4 stations vs 5 and the LNL has Auto Indexing. The RCBS uses the strips for the priming system. The 550 will have a slighly higher cost on caliber conversions.

All presses have there good and bad. All have fixes & Tips to make them run smooth.

I have the LNL-AP w/ brass feeder. I wanted the Auto Indexing and liked the fact that you could feed the machine with one hand while the other ran the ram. And the fact that Hornady is constantly upgrading the press has weakness shows. If a user is having a problem they will send the updated parts under warranty. This is bases on support calls.

There will be a learning curve no matter which one you get. All have good warranty.
 
I don't load enough to need a bullet and case feeder.

So, if considering Dillon in the mix, I think that places you with the 550B. A full progressive, to include auto indexing, priming on the press, etc. would move you up to the Hornady Lnl AP. The Dillon 650XL, reportedly is best used with a case feeder.

I think RCBS costs too much, but they make nice dies.
 
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If you want 3-5 separate twist-lock dies to handle every time you change calibers, rather than instant inserting of pre-populated tool heads, then maybe Hornady makes the press you want. Just be careful you don't grab a wrong die.....there's going to be a lot to keep track of if you load many calibers.

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One more thing....there is NO such thing as a perfect press. Not even the Dillon 1050.....just a perfect-fitting press, tweaked for you, which ever color or model does it for you. Don't expect another's research and decision pick your press. Take your time and do your own research. You can go wrong with any of the presses if it don't fit you.

I prefer to clean my cases between sizing and loading so inserting individual dies works well for me. Sizer and mouth expander for one task, Powder measure, seater and crimper for the other. If I did not use the Hornady, I would have to either buy two die plates for each cartridge or spin dies in and out of the one shell plate.

It is one of my idiosyncrasies and by no means the only way to run a progressive.

I ran a single stage press for so long, inserting the correct die for the task at hand is not an issue as it has to be done with each change of task.

That said, I also have a Pro2000 and it is the only progressive that I have that I prime on the press.

I always say to choose the press whose color best matches the decor in your reloading room. It will serve you well.
 
They are all good loaders. Since I don't use case or bullet feeders, I like the Hornady since I can use my right hand to feed both into the shell plate. I also change calibers frequently and the Hornady is fast and easy in this aspect. I also like the primer feed and powder measure.
 
I am with GW, there is no perfect machine. I have a bunch of them of all different sorts and each one is good at what they do. My sughestion was made from your want of a bullet and case feed from the three that you posted to pick from.
 
i was in the same boat a couple months back. I spent an evening pricing out everything i "needed" for each of the 3 machines. They were all within a few bills of each other when all was said and done. They all have good and bad quirks. All have great customer support/warranties/add ons. Basically it came down to preference. RCBS popped up for $100 off on midway and i had a free shipping code, so i bought it. Couldnt be happier with it. Have loaded 1000's of rounds without any issues. I load mulitple calibers, at smaller quanities. I wanted progresive over my turret, not because i wanted to load more, but because i wanted to load faster. My back cant handle long reloading sessions. I can easily load, .357, 9mm, and .45acp within minutes of each other, all with different powders. I loaded 100 of each, including change over time, in just under 1 hour couple weeks back... Takes me ~10 seconds to change primer size, ~30 seconds to change shell plate, ~10 seconds to change die plate, and maybe 2 minutes to switch powders (although i use a lee pro disk). Im sure i would have been equally happy with either of the other brands, but this has worked out well for me. Happy Shopping!!
 
Thank y'all for the info. Sounds like I can't go wrong no matter which route I go. Choices lol
 
I have sort of given up trying to convince folks that one press is better than another. They are all tools and used properly they will work well. I would certainly not claim that one is particularly better for x, y, or z reason. I have done around 350,000 rounds on my Pro2000. I like it, it works, it has its quirks but hey, so do I. Three (now 4 actually) good friends here in Houston, bought Pro2000's after seeing mine and no one complains. We all just piggy back our load an development data along with co-ordering supplies.

With that in mind, I would suggest you find out what local friends and fellow shooters are doing. See if you can match up with someone who can help you get going on your press and can go in on orders. I know I get signficantly lower pricess for primers then I approached Powder Valley and ordered say 100,000 primers at a whack all in APS strips ready to go.

So advice wise, do your local research, do your online research make a decision and move on. Work with local folks (if you can) to order supplies in bulk and trade resources back and forth.

Good luck.
 
I have sort of given up trying to convince folks that one press is better than another.

Agreed, except I, and I'm sure others, would try to steer you away from the Lee Loadmaster -- the press itself is actually very good but the priming system is by far the worst of anything on the market.

We shoot pretty high volumes of handgun ammo mostly 9mm and .45ACP so I have Dillon XL650 dedicated to each caliber. But if you shoot modest volumes and put a premium on fast and easy caliber changes, I'd suggest one not on your list -- the Lee Classic Turret.

The Lee Classic Turret is not a progressive in that it takes four pulls of the handle to load one round as it rotates the dies and powder measure. The extra "heads" are cheap and and you can change calibers faster than you can fill a Dillon primer tube :) I use it for all my other, lower volume calibers. Its pretty easy to do 100 rounds each of two different calibers in about an hour including caliber change.
 
They are all good loaders. Since I don't use case or bullet feeders, I like the Hornady since I can use my right hand to feed both into the shell plate. I also change calibers frequently and the Hornady is fast and easy in this aspect. I also like the primer feed and powder measure.

I would have to use my LEFT hand.
 
I have a LNL and I'm happy with it. Sometimes I miss a primer, about three times in 100 or so. I think it's me not cycling the handle all the way, not sure.

Anyway, I like it a lot.
 
I bought a Dillon SDB back when it was under $200 - it does a GREAT job of loading rounds like .38 Special, .45 ACP, etc., and in my opinion if all you're looking to load is pistol cases, it's a better choice than the 550 since it has auto indexing and the 550 doesn't.

BUT - Dillon's 550 is more versatile, since it uses standard dies and will load rifle rounds as well.

The few times I've had issues Dillon was GREAT in helping me solve them - their customer service is almost legendary. (And I mean that in a good way.)

Based on my SDB experience, if I were to buy another progressive loading press today, it would be a Dillon 650.
 
Sometimes I miss a primer, about three times in 100 or so.

IMHO that is terrible, almost as bad as my Lee Loadmaster where 4 or 5 priming screw-ups in 100 is the norm :(
 
That's strictly operator problem on a LNL. I've loaded close to 40k and never miss a primer. Just get in the habit of starting the cycle off with a forward push. Then if your stop without doing the down stroke to load a primer you pick it up on your start. I'm not shy about seating them hard either. With tight pockets one quick seating motion works best.
 
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