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I am looking at buying the Dillon 550B. I load several handgun and rifle calibers and would like to start picking up the pace alittle. Does anyone have any advise for me as far as progressive presses are conserned. What do you reccomend.

Thanks Smithiac
 
methinks that a lot of us only own one progresive,so we can only commennt on what we know...
and I KNOW I like my 550b !!! :)
 
I have the square deal and really regret not spending the extra $50 to get the 550. It's not that the SDB isn't a great reloader, it would be much more convenient to be able to use standard dies.
 
I don't like progressives that don't auto-index. It is too easy to allow yourself to be distracted and fail to seat a bullet/index the shell plate. This sets you up for dropping a double charge. Not a problem for rifle calibers where the powder will overflow the case, but it could get unpleasant in a pistol caliber with small volume charges of fast powders. I'm a software engineer so I trust a machine I understand and maintain more than I trust any human. Especially as the number of repetitions (n for the software engineers) grows.
 
I don't like progressives that don't auto-index.
I feel exactly opposite. Because I load multiple calibers on the same machine, I like the flexibility that manual indexing allows.

My thought is that if I were going to have a single press dedicated to a particular load and never planned on changing it, I'd doubtlessly go with an auto-indexing press. However, if I plan on doing load development, changing components (i.e., bullet types) or swapping calibers often, the manual indexing is easier on me..

Doesn't hurt that my first multi-stage press was manual indexing, so that's what I'm used to.
 
Whether or not I would recommend a progressive to you, depends on 2 factors.
1. What pistol cartridges you will be loading; and
2. What quantities of each you will be shooting per day/week/month/year.
Please let us know.

I have more than 1 progressive, a 550 and a Hornady LNL AP, and in addition do a bit of loading on a friends 650. The biggest drawbacks to the 550 are the priming system (burned compounds drop in the works causing many more flipped primers and spent primers scatter on working surfaces) and Dillon still holds to the old tech powder measure, and thats why many have been converted to Hornady and RCBS measures.

The Hornady powder system is much advanced, superior, and more versatile, is easier to adjust repeatably with the calibrated inserts. As Dillon measures agem they tend to leak ball powders and that creates problems.

Caliber changeovers are much faster and way less expensive on the LNL. The LNL's run-out on ammo is much superior to the 550 and 650 Dillon I’ve compared it with,

Price: The LNL AP will cost under $100 when you subtract the cost of the 1000 free bullets.

A few weeks ago my friend with the 650 sheepishly told me he had ordered a new LNL AP.
 
Hello all.

I was on the market for a progressive press that would be easy and fast to change calibers and I looked at alot of stuff, red, green and blue. I kept coming back to the 550b and I really like it. Maybe the fact that I know Dillon presses better than Hornady might be part of it. RCBS 2000 presses are are really strong too. But... I went with the 550b. That was my solution but I already had 2 XL650's (set up for 9mm and 45ACP)so maybe what works for me may not work for someone else.

I use my 550b a bit different sometimes, though. I load using a RCBS Uniflow for 2 Magnum calibers. For 223, I use my RCBS charge master combo to charge cases via powder thru die with funnel. This will still be progressive but very hands on. For 38 spcl, I load fully progressive on it using the Dillon powder throw.

Everyone has their own personal wants and this was mine.

Cheers...
 
I am looking at buying the Dillon 550B. I load several handgun and rifle calibers and would like to start picking up the pace alittle. Does anyone have any advise for me as far as progressive presses are conserned. What do you reccomend.

IMO, you've made a fine choice. Have had my RL550 since '86 and I still love it. To top it off, Dillon's customer support has been 100% or better.
 
I load 98% for straightwalled handgun cartridges. I have 3 Square Deal Bs. I wouldn't be without the auto index function they provide. If I had a larger volume of rifle cases I would get the Dillon 650 because of it having auto indexing as well.

I have several friends that have 550s. ALL of them are VERY pleased with them.
 
Shoney, I.m curious?

How do you measure bullet run out? And what would make it so much less on a Hornady than a Dillion?

And when the LNL starts at $100 bucks lower than a basic Dillion 650, why do they have to have to give you a 1000 bullets to buy the LnL??

I personally thought the LnL fit and finsih was poor and the mechanical linkage was clunky.

Just curious...

Scott
 
Dillon 550B and never look back, do some work and you can reduce your caliber conversion.....like 45ACP works for any .473 head size cases just need different funnels. Some like the 9mm works of the 40SW if you get new locator pins funnel. A person save some money that way. Call John at www.gunstop.com he is great guy to deal with!
 
Mallc: Hope you enjoy your 650, as it is a good machine. Your logic on the $100 comment escapes me, unless of course it is intended as cynical sarcasm.

Your question on run-out or as it is more correctly called concentricity. As shooters have become more demanding in their search for accuracy, specialized reloading equipment has come into the market. It is well known that bullet run-out, or concentricity, is a major factor in producing accu-rate ammunition.

In years past, the accepted practice for checking concentricity of a handloaded round was to roll the cartridge across a flat surface, such as glass, and note any wobble at the bullet’s tip. This was a fast way of culling obviously defective cartridges, but will fail to isolate those with less obvious run-out problems. Add to this the fact that run-out problems can be caused by not just an improperly seated bullet, but by the case itself, and the limitations of this approach become unacceptable.

Today, handloaders have several options that are capable of measuring concentricity to .001" or less. Most operate on some variation of the same principle. A loaded cartridge is mounted in the unit, normally supported by a “V” block arrangement at the case head and bullet ogive. The cartridge is rotated slowly, while a dial indicator bears on the area of the cartridge being checked. Any concentricity problems are not only immediately visible, but measurable on the dial indicator.

One of the first commercial models, which is still readily available and quite popular, was the Forster/Bonanza Co-Ax Indicator. Recent entries in the concentricity gauge market include models by Sinclair International, NECO, and RCBS. Some models, such as the NECO Gauge and RCBS Case Master, are capable of not only measuring bullet run-out, but case neck variation, wall thickness and concentricity as well. Given the accuracy obtainable, particularly from many of today’s bolt action rifles, using a concentricity gauge to get the last bit of accuracy out of handloaded ammunition makes perfect sense.

The Hornady LNL AP is a beefy machine, much more solid than the Dillons. IMHO it apparently does not flex as unevenly due different pressures on each side of the ram/shell plate as compared to the 550 or 650. This would explain the better run-out. But I’m no expert.

You may be interested to know that my friend with the 650 is "rabid true blue" died in the wool Dillon man. A few weeks ago he sheepishly told me his wife had given him permission to buy a new LNL AP:what: Wife's permission????:cuss: I asked him if he was a man or a mouse????? Cmon now squeek up.

Hope my wife doesnt read this.
 
There you have it, Folks. The Dillon people and the Hornady people have spoken...

Cheers...
 
I am using a 550 from 1986 that my dad gave me. I have been having a small problem lately with the primer bar sticking. I sent an email to Dillon tech service asking for suggestions after I completely cleaned the area with no luck. After one reply on the steps I have taken they asked for my address so they could send me an entire new primer system. Now I don't have any experience with the other colors but I do know that when that company says a 100% no BS warranty, they mean it and that settled it for me I will be a Dillon customer for life.

You won't be sorry!

Cheers,
Ed
 
The Hornady LNL AP is a beefy machine, much more solid than the Dillons. IMHO it apparently does not flex as unevenly due different pressures on each side of the ram/shell plate as compared to the 550 or 650. This would explain the better run-out. But I’m no expert.

The engineer in me wants you to explain that statement. Bullet seating and thus its run-out is determined by how the bullet is set by the die and to some extent by the preparation of the brass before it accepts the bullet. The sturdiness of the ram of the press should bear little on the actual seating of the bullet, which occurs near the top of the stroke and any issues in the shell plate or ram stability minimized by simply being consistent at the top of the stroke. Are you using exactly the same dies, bullets, OAL, etc between them and making sure that the brass is flared exactly the same amount?
 
Shoney - a proposal...

I propose and an experiment where we chuck bullets in a lathe and measure the "run-out". Then we load the bullets in brass using different presses and dies, remeasure the "run-out" and tablutate the results.

I'll do Lee Loader, Lee hand press, Lee dies in an aluminum Challenger Press, Redding and Lee dies in a Rock Chucker, Dillion standard dies, And Redding Comp in a T7. You measure or send me 5 cartidges loaded in your LnL.

What do you say?

Scott
 
Deavis: Spend the $100 for the LNL AP, do run-out tests with it against your 650, then you tell me why the LNL gets better run-out. and you can use your engineering criteria to explain why.

Be open minded! Be honest! You'll see! We will all see! Betcha!
 
I have no experience with Hornady but I had a Lee LoadMaster.

Trust me, I now have a Dillon 550B. It might be more money, but you get what you pay for.
 
I have a square deal also and the cost and pain to switch calibers on that thing is prohibitive, though it's a good press. The 550 is a much better press set up IMHO.

I bought a Lee Pro 1000 for other than 9mm. It works, but it's no Dillon. It gets the job done, though, and I got it off ebay for 45 bucks set up for .38/.357. :D

Dillon's customer service is second to none. You won't regret the purchase.
 
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