Disarming Training

[GRIZ22]

Keep in mind all skills are perishable if not practiced on a regular basis.

 

[DT Guy]

Keep in mind all skills are perishable if not practiced on a regular basis.

Particularly one like this, which depends so strongly on 'abruptness', hand speed and grip strength, along with excellent timing and judging of distance. This is NOT like riding a bicycle...


Larry

 

[hdwhit]

If I look to the martial arts community they want to sign me up for a multi-month series of classes where I learn how to bow and do the same katas over and over and over.

There are marial arts classes here in the North Texas area that do teach dealing with an armed attacker and don't require a long-term contract.

The point of a martial arts program is not simply the transfer of knowledge, but a disciplined application of that knowledge at the moment it is called for. Training to the point where "the training takes over" requires continued repetition over a long period of time. In order to get his black belt, my son had to demonstrate the ability to disarm an attacker armed with a knife. While he learned the basic technique on his first day, it took two years for him to get to the point where he could consistently take the knife away from someone larger than he was.

In Asia, where most of what we call "martial arts" originate, bowing is a sign of respect for a teacher or superior. As used in martial arts in the United States, it teaches situational awareness (i.e. be aware of who around you outranks you and is entitled to the respect of a bow), discipline and humility.

 

[DT Guy]

I had an instructor who said a black belt *should* indicate that the art had become your reflex. I thought that was fair.

Larry

 

[david58]

Just be sure you get to a class that is taught by someone that understands martial arts, and who will keep you from getting hurt by an idiot. I had a very, very expensive shoulder surgery thanks to a class idiot...

 

[GRIZ22]

There are marial arts classes here in the North Texas area that do teach dealing with an armed attacker and don't require a long-term contract.

The point of a martial arts program is not simply the transfer of knowledge, but a disciplined application of that knowledge at the moment it is called for. Training to the point where "the training takes over" requires continued repetition over a long period of time. In order to get his black belt, my son had to demonstrate the ability to disarm an attacker armed with a knife. While he learned the basic technique on his first day, it took two years for him to get to the point where he could consistently take the knife away from someone larger than he was.

In Asia, where most of what we call "martial arts" originate, bowing is a sign of respect for a teacher or superior. As used in martial arts in the United States, it teaches situational awareness (i.e. be aware of who around you outranks you and is entitled to the respect of a bow), discipline and humility.

Genuine martial arts training, not "sign the contract, I guarantee you a black belt in 2 years" types, teach what hdwhit said.

The first martial arts school I went to was run by a Shifu (Master) who was Chinese and trained in China. Respect is 2 way. If you address him as Shifu and he responds to you he is accepting you as a student. The first 6 months all we learned how to do was strike, block, and stand. This weeded out the people who were just there to learn how to kick ass.

Later, I studied a Japanese karate style under a Sensei who had trained in Japan for 12 years. He had about 35 years in karate when I started with him. He used to say if you were in karate only for self defense, buy a 38. It takes less time, money, and effort to learn.

He demonstrated gun disarming one time and picked me for a demonstrator. Gave me a blank gun told me to hold it on him and pull the trigger as soon as he moved. I did so, not because I thought I could outdo him but because he told me to. He was about 20 feet from me, I saw him start to move, and wound up with a powder burn on the leg of my gi. You don't learn how to do this stuff in a few easy lessons.

Kata are not just bs. They allow you to practice a combination of techniques by yourself. They also demonstrate to the instructor you know how to do the technique correctly.

If you want to learn something well it takes time.

 

[beatcop]

Good answers provided.
Vids and find a training partner.

The best disarm is a cns shot or a knife across ligaments.