Dissappointing first range session with new Sig P229

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yankytrash

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Picked up a brand new Sig P229 in 357 Sig today. Felt good in my hand, and reports of 357 Sig accuracy seemed hopeful.

Ran 200rd of Winchester white box 125gr and 100rd of Speer Lawman 125gr (only two types my dealer had in stock) through it this afternoon after the manual-suggested cleaning. Test fired by me and a friend who's a decent shot.

First it shoots so low that it took a good 40 rounds to figure out where the bullets were going. When finally figured out it was shooting 12" low at 15yd, we started to compensate. Got bullets on paper, but groups were sad to say the least. Groups were 12" at a minimum, I won't even count the fliers. On an 8" x 11" piece of paper at 15 yards, that might as well be a mile.

Now, we proceeded to run out the rest of the 300rd, just knowing that one of us would catch the sweet spot in this pistol and make a showing. No dice. Aggravated, I gave up. My buddy ran out the last of the rounds and determined, well, nothing. We're at a loss.



One thing I do notice now that I'm closely scrutinizing the pistol is that the muzzle end of the barrel seems to ride the bottom of the hole where it goes through the slide (on a 1911, it's where the bushing would be). I feel along top of the chamber end where it looks like it's flush with the slide and I notice the barrel falls downhill quite a bit in that little 1" area.

Does that sound like a problem? I've never owned a Sig before, and don't know if this is normal or not.

Any suggestions/advice to share? Thusfar, it seems I've bought an expensive boat anchor. At least the slide's stainless, so it won't rust in the brackish water.:D
 
I seem to recall that my 229's barrel rested against the bottom of the thru-way in the slide too. Then again, it's been a while since I've had that pistol, so I can't tell you for certain.

What I can say for certain is that your accuracy problem is NOT normal! I could make popcans dance from up-close to the first burm without much difficulty. I'd call the shop you bought it from and ask about your options.
 
The barrel is normal.

The POI vs POA and accuracy is not normal. Sure you are using the right ammo? :D

Call the shop, let them know, try to exchange for another if they have one in stock, if not, have them look at it or send it in.
 
WHW, it's funny you jokingly asked about using the right ammo, because at one point I actually did check to make sure the barrel was marked "357 Sig", and even went so far as to stick a bullet in the muzzle to make sure it wasn't a mis-marked .40 barrel! :D
 
Thats definitely not normal for a 229/357. Try some Speer Gold Dots from a rest @ 15 yrds. If it still shoots lousy ship it back to Sigarms and ask them to make it right and include a factory target. Here's my factory target, under an inch, yes the camera sux.

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Although my Sig 229 is in .40 it is extremely accurate. Any Sig that isn't, in any caliber, should be fixed.
 
YT there are numbers stamped on both front and back sights. look at them and look in your instruction manual and find out what hight they are. you may need to change the front or the back to bring it up depending on what it suggests. the sig229.40s come with a #8 on the rear and a #6 on the front. I also was having problems with my 229.40 not hitting were I pointed it. so i changed the front to a #8 and now the gun is dead on.

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Thanks gp. Saw in the manual where there were different sight heights I could get, but didn't know how to identify what I had until your post.

Currently have an 8/8 setup. I wonder if the shotgun pattern has something to do with the fact that we couldn't concentrate due to the elevation problem. I've got a friend in the local sheriff's office that carries a p229 in 40, and he's nothing short of amazing with a pistol. Maybe I'll pick me up a couple more boxes of ammo tomorrow and swing by his house to let him try it out. I'm thinking that if we break out the B-27's and put a 1 1/2" aiming dot right on the "X", maybe we can determine if it's us, or the sight heights.

Ugh, aggravating. Nothing worse than buying a brand new piece of doodoo. Especially when it's going to end up costing me about $1000 before I even know what the problem is. Then, I see Sigarms manual says I pay for shipping/insurance even though it's their problem. Nice, real friggin nice. Sorry for the derogatory tone, but I hate this...
 
Clean and lube your SIG and try it benched. If you're still getting poor results call SIG and ask them for a return authorization number and ship it back to them. They will make it right.
 
no problem YT, from what Sig told me a couple of years ago, they try and match the sight hight depending on the round and how flat it shoots. also they set the guns up for zero at 25 yards so if your using a heaver round or lower power one it can affect where it hits. good luck bud.





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P.S. the stock sights are real cheap around 5.00 each. most good dealers will change out the one you need replacing with the one you want for free.
 
Just a thought here --- What sight picture are you using? Sigs have combat sights on them. A textbook six o'clock hold with the point of aim "resting" on top of your front sight is not optimum for Sigs. Try covering your point of aim with the front sight so that you only see the top half of the POA (it will look like a little black setting sun above the horizon of your front sight). If this works then great. A simple fix.

If not then contact Sig and see what they say.
 
I'm with everyone else, what you have experinced is not normal from a sig. I would contact the factory (as much as I hate doing that) and let them know. I am sure they will fix it.
 
The off-center barrel is perfectly normal. SIGs have their barrel hole in the slide drilled at an upwards angle to facilitate tight lockup of the barrel and slide when in battery without having to use a bushing. Therefore, all SIGs seem to have the barrel sitting "too low" in the slide when viewed directly from the muzzle end.
 
I would have to think there is something wrong with the barrel to get that poor results. I would give Sig a call and see what they say.

Rinspeed
 
Well, just got back from the sheriff's house.

Last night I scrubbed the pistol down far better than I did the first time. Really, I thought I was cleaning it up with the idea that it was going back. My sheriff friend gave me a call this afternoon and said he was ready to try it out, so I went.

We went back to his range, loaded up, and I held his beer while he proceeded to drop 10 rounds into the X of a B27 target. ????????

He said, "There's nothin wrong with this pistol, wanna sell it?" He hands it back to me and I run a couple 5 or 6 rounds through it. Same results - all bullets in the X. We laughed about it, and tried to figure out what might've been wrong yesterday, and all we can figure is that the pistol required a little more rigorous cleaning than what I did the first time (although I noticed no big chunks of metal shavings or excessive grease on the areas I cleaned).

All we came up with was, well, nothing...again. At least this time the pistol's shootin straight. We stayed awhile and ran another 150 rounds through it, and even played around with "drawing" smiley faces on the B27 at 25 yards slow fire off hand.


Same ammo, same hold, same off hand, same shooter, same gun, yet night and day results after the rigorous cleaning. I dunno. Anyway, I'm happy.

Thanks all, and give Tecolote a cigar.


Oh, and an FYI - on the 8/8 setup I set the dot on top of the rear sight line for correct POI. I'm going to change that someday to the "setting sun" hold, which feels more natural to me.
 
YT thats good to here. I have always put the front sight dot on top of the notch of the rear sight, thats why i changed to the 8 & 8 set up. thats the one good thing about being able to change the hight of your sights, so you can customize the weapon to fit your style of shooting. good luck and enjoy your new toy.
Dave




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I traded for a sig 229 in .40 cal last fall. When I went to the range, after a good cleaning, It shot so poorly I thought I'd made my worst ever deal on a gun.
I cleaned it again and went back to the range. Perfect. I don't have any idea what was wrong. It has been fine since that second range session, and has become one of my favorites.
woody
 
Maybe it had some grit that was keeping it from going completely into battery and securely locking the barrel and such?
A Sig would not fire if this were the case.
 
THAT is very unusual... Sigs are very accurate pistols right out of the box. I've been shooting my P229 (.40) for about 9 years now and am actually more accurate with my P229 than I am most days with my Wilson Combat.
 
Up to this point I have not said anything bad about any brand or type of gun except a few that almost every one agrees on, but after owning 11 glocks over the last 8 years I can say that as far as I'm concerned a glock is a cap gun as far as trigger pull and over all grip feel. I have shot all my past glocks up against my Sig and the Sig was like a highly tuned sports car compared to the glocks which felt like a worn out pinto. the only glock i would ever own again would be the M g20 10mm. take it for what its worth but if you start a fight don't expect to not get punched back.




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