Disturbing New York City trend.

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What we are seeing is the result of 96 years of infringement.

Erect formidable barriers between the People and their Right of Arms, (no matter what the plausible deniability based on fire hoop leaping is) and people will choose to be unarmed, and will eventually stop understanding the value of it, even at the cost of their lives, families, well being and self determination.


Infringement works.

It really is that simple.

Infringement has worked in NYC, and it has worked in NJ.

Infringement works, and the Founders knew this, which is why they specifically forbid it.
 
I grew up in NYC and lived there 18 years. Manhattan. I also go back to visit. My opinion is very informed. I don't want to live there because:
-it is expensive
-the public school system sucks except for the specialized high schools
-high crime until recently
-taxes are high
-the politicians are way too eager to meddle in everyone's lives and dip into everyone's pockets
-can't own a car or drive it anywhere
-can't own a gun or carry it anywhere
-homeless people
-the smell of urine (subways) and vomit (mcsorley's)
-the constant noise (loud drunks, sirens, radios)

Also don't like the fact that everything in the city caters to either the ultra-rich or the ultra-poor. I like the rest of the country where you can buy fairly priced stuff that isn't garbage.

The only thing I like about NYC is:
-lots of cool stuff to visit
-great restaurants
-the place has improved a lot in terms of homeless and urination. Crime is also much lower since Giuliani
-you can walk everywhere if you want, which is healthier IMO

Otherwise it is just an island of suck between New Jersey and Massachussets.
 
I am going to stay here to start converting the locals.

I will also start a series of web sites just for New Yorkers to browse through. Put fuel into the second ammendment machine.

I am currently working on a novel titled "Tai Ping Tien Guo" (Heavenly Kingdom of Eternal Peace), which documents the greatest rebellions in Chinese history. I think that is the first novel ever written about the Taiping rebellion, written by American born Chinese. The right to be armed is addressed heavily in the book, especially in the part documenting the first years of the rebellion and the following years, which sees the Taiping rebels fighting against British and French imperialists in Shanghai.

Liberals will probably dislike this novel, while 2A supporters and supporters of the Confederate States will find it extremely patriotic(story takes place in the same timeframe as the War of Northern Aggression), as well as Chinese who support their country's government.


I think current situations in NYC is because of the liberal hotbed. We have educators here who say that if a crazed gunman comes into the classroom and start spraying slugs everywhere, the proper thing to do would be hide under desks, stay still and die calmly.

WELL I'LL SAY ONE THING, EVEN THOUGH IAM EDUCATED IN NYC, THE NYC BOARD OF ED FAILED TO TURN ME INTO A LIBERAL. I AM THE MOST VEHEMENT CONSERVATIVE ANYONE WILL EVER MEET. Maybe I should join writer's guilds too, to further spread activism.
 
By the way, is Ron Paul still in the race???

I have been away from THR so long in the past few weeks, I think I missed out on some current issues.

I would also like to know about all Republican contenders who strongly support the 2A. Activism needs high-octane gasoline.
 
It's not really a "trend." The antis have had firm root there for over a hundred years. The Sullivan Act is a good example. Passed in 1911 by one of the most corrupt governments in human history. The most we can hope for is to keep the abomination they spawned from getting near the White House.

My bet is if you saw the names on that list, you'd see all the rich folks who have buttered the right bread. From Bob Deniro to Don Imus. Little people need not apply.

If New Yorkers didn't revolt when facing the massive crime wave of the 70's and 80's, there's no chance they'll revolt now that they've created a little slice of fascist pie under Giuliuli.

I will also start a series of web sites just for New Yorkers to browse through. Put fuel into the second ammendment machine.

I admire your grit. But all the same, watch your back. If you actually start making progress you may end up touring the bottom of the East River. I suspect your energy would be put to better use focusing on keeping NYC from taking over the rest of the state. There are still some good parts of New York hunkering down up in the hills. This is the mindset you must overcome in NYC:

Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.

Give you one guess who said that.
 
Thanks Cosmoline,

I am from northern China. From the Khitan tribesman to the Jurchen conqueror to the Manchu herder to the Communist warrior, we are fighters.


Remember the case of Amadu Diallo........When oppressive leadership takes hold, strange and uncivil things start to happen......the stuff nightmares are made from.......Imagine a future of mind control and computerized sensors in everybody's brains to keep them from "revolting".

Oh that quote.......that is Guiliani right there.
 
LawBot5000 summed it up pretty well. I spent 24 years in the outer boroughs, glad I left. The only things worth missing are the culture and the food. It smells like a toilet, crime is high (especially compared to rural America), and traffic is unbearable. Walking isn't always an option in the outer boroughs and it sucks when it takes 45 minutes to drive 8 miles.

I love it that my trip to the DMV takes 15 minutes, not 2 hours. I love 75mph speed limits. I'm getting used to strangers smiling and waving at me. I like the small (or non-existent) crowds almost everywhere I go. I like that when I received my state purchase permit (not OWNERSHIP), the deputy kindly asked what I was thinking of getting and replied, "Great choice, I love my Glock!" I like that I can buy ammo and a can of paint at the hardware store 2 minutes away. I like that I can buy a handgun, shotgun, rifle, hollowpoints, and standard-cap (not low-cap) magazines RIGHT NOW TODAY ASAP.

Oh, and one of the worse things about NYC is having to parallel park damn near everywhere. I learned to get good at it, but it's so much easier to diagonally park.

And Prince Yamato, people can own guns in DC. Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Old guns that were in before the ban are allowed, but they are guns nonetheless.

I know this is not highroad, but I truly believe that New York City is a lost cause. Unless some huge federal law or court ruling strikes down their laws (and similar laws in LA, Chicago, etc) as unconstitutional and that any attempt to enforce such laws will result in prison terms for all involved, nothing will change. Even in "free" states, most people don't care. The overwhelming anti-gun majority (regardless of party affiliation) will not be overcome due to the sheep mentality most have. There are now three generations of NYers that have never known widespread gun ownership: boomers, Xers, and now Yers. That is an awful lot of people that either don't care or are against guns.
 
Strat81.......what about the moral decadence there?

Things like Justin Timberlake's "Futuresex/Loveshow". I dare him to perform that kind of stuff in Cold Mountain, North Carolina, the home of brave Confederate Veterans and their proud descendants.

There is one thing that moral decadence is terrified of: when people ignore it and turn a deaf ear and refuse follow the bandwagon........But NYC? Too much stuff is going on...way too much.
 
Whose morals are we talking about Rachen? Who cares what the descendants of cowardly Confederates and their bigoted descendants think? If they dont like the first amendment then they are no friends of the country, just like in the Civil War.
 
Response to Strat81.

That is why I prefer NATIONALIZATION.
Abolish "independant" ordinances and install FEDERAL LAW in all areas. That will give criminals who take advantage of cities' gun control laws something to think about.

I read something the other day about the production of "Whitney revolvers" during the War of Northern Aggression. The Confederate government persuaded the revolver makers to turn out at least 5,000 revolvers a month for CSA army. But the company embezzled and extorted the funds that the CSA government gave them and failed to live up to the quota of 5,000 revolvers. In the end, the Confederate government, already bankrupt and suffering from widespread famine and poverty is forced to buy the company at ridiculously high prices from it's private owners so they can actually start producing the weapons badly needed by the southern army.......When I read this story, it almost drove me to tears.

When the Chinese Communist Party fought against the KMT during the war of 1937-1949, we enforced martial law on everybody who think they can make their own little laws. If something like the Whitney revolver case ever happened during that period, we would have simply took the company by force, court martial the embezzlers and land the ultimate conviction: treason against the State and the Renmin Zhen'fu(People's Government)

Nationalization, the passing of a powerful Federal law, will prevent local and municipal ordinances from thinking that can pass whatever restrictions they like.
Speaking of sheep mentality, most people I know are almost like Quakers, they rather be harmed than fight back in self defense. I also read the thing about a reverend saying that it is more morally just for a woman to stand there and take the rape than fight back against her attacker??? Wow........how could he say something so stupid like that and not be afraid of ridicule and scorn?
Most New Yorkers think of guns as something that kills only. They do not realize that they can protect too........Think about it this way. Nuclear energy can be used to create terrible weapons of warfare, but if they are harnessed correctly, they can also solve the world's energy problems. Same thing with guns........Guns in the hands of criminals do cause sorrow, but "a gentleman armed with [the gun] can keep 12 or more ruffians at bay"(Samuel Colt)

IN the end, reality will always win. Several weeks ago, there was the most horrible bloodshed in a quiet Connecticut town, where a doctor's wife and two daughters were slaughtered in the most inhuman and brutal fashion by a pair of vicious psychopaths. After that incident, the gun shp owner in that town reported that gun sales are up and almost everybody in the town is out to buy a pistol or a "self defense shotgun". That article was front page news for several days and the New York Post had several pages dedicated to the entire thing. No doubt this story was read by every single New Yorker.......Those who do not read the papers would have seen it on television or heard the news on the radio. Out of 8 million people who pay attention to the news every day, a good many will start waking up and see the facts: The police couldn't have helped the family during that disaster, it happened way too quickly and at first, law enforcement officials were still trying to track the mother's frantic calls while the killings are actually taking place.
That crisis was undoubtedly terrible, it was almost as if Satan had appeared on Earth during these hours of despair. It shattered the town's illusions of a false sense of security. Now millions, if not billions of people, would have understood that danger strikes anywhere, and when it does, it often takes the courage and wits of the victim himself to save those he love and bring an end to the threat.
 
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Tecumseh.......how can you call them cowardly???

Who said they were against the First ammendment?
 
Abolish "independant" ordinances and install FEDERAL LAW in all areas. That will give criminals who take advantage of cities' gun control laws something to think about.

That's what Washington DC is. It hasn't worked out too well. The word isn't really nationalization but federalization. Nationalization would involve taking over businesses. In this case it's possible the feds could decide to pass some pro-gun laws such as a national shall issue CCW permit, but while that might be tempting to do during times when the pro-gun factions control Congress and the WH, it could easily backfire when the other side takes over. I think the consensus is we want a federal government that does NOTHING on gun control, or as little as possible. We just can't trust them.
 
Things like Justin Timberlake's "Futuresex/Loveshow". I dare him to perform that kind of stuff in Cold Mountain, North Carolina, the home of brave Confederate Veterans and their proud descendants.

There is one thing that moral decadence is terrified of: when people ignore it and turn a deaf ear and refuse follow the bandwagon........But NYC? Too much stuff is going on...way too much.

Moral decadence is relative. It is also one area where I break with republican/conservative values: I see no problem with nudity, pornography, homosexuality, or polygamy. (Of course, this means no illegitimate children, pedophilia, or rape.)

Many people see guns as "morally decadent." Morals aren't restricted to the amount of skin being shown.
 
That is why I prefer NATIONALIZATION.
Abolish "independant" ordinances and install FEDERAL LAW in all areas. That will give criminals who take advantage of cities' gun control laws something to think about.

We already did. It goes something like:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.


Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be any consequence for those "civil servants" that choose to ignore this particular law. :rolleyes:
 
That is true,

Some New Yorkers think that guns are even more decadent than Playboy, and these are the people that are the hardest to convert.

To Cosmoline, you are right. I just remembered the Clinton administration and the long night it has imposed upon us which took more than a decade to heal.
 
Whose morals are we talking about Rachen? Who cares what the descendants of cowardly Confederates...

Cowardly Confederates, Tecumseh? I doubt that the boys in blue considered them cowards. You may not like the side they were on, but they were hardly cowards.

[...and their bigoted descendants think?]

This comment is not exactly "The High Road," is it?

I am the descendant of Confederates, Tecumseh. My grandfather, also the descendant of Confederates, served the United States as a machinegun company commander in the Great War. My father, the descendant of Confederates, flew B-17s and B-29s in The Second World War. My brother, the descendant of Confederates, served in the Air Force during Vietnam with nearly 200 missions. I, the descendant of Confederates served 20 years in the United States Army.

While my grandfather and father were products of their time, they considered the KKK cowardly thugs. My grandfather died years before I was born, but my father taught us that the only way to judge a man was by his actions. You might try that instead of casting aspersions at someone you don't know.

ECS
 
Originally posted by Rachen: Things like Justin Timberlake's "Futuresex/Loveshow". I dare him to perform that kind of stuff in Cold Mountain, North Carolina, the home of brave Confederate Veterans and their proud descendants.
They would actively try to stop someone from expressing themself because they disagree with the message. I believe then that they are against free expression simply because they dislike it. They are against free speech as they would support my right to say things that they dislike. They dont have to listen. But your implying they would use force to stop me from doing it which makes them bigoted and anti-freedom.
 
At the end of 1998, information on 1,110,163 firearms was on file.

During 1998:

69,898 licenses were amended and 3,055 were canceled or revoked.
136 new firearms dealer and gunsmith licenses were received and filed.
942 dealer and gunsmith licenses were renewed.
Retail firearms dealers reported 83,440 transactions.
As mandated by law, 13,485 nuisance firearms were destroyed in New York State, 1,617 of which were destroyed by NYSP.
Of course, that's the entire state.

Lets make it clear, that webpage which was incompletely quoted is only about pistols. Click it yourself and see:
http://www.troopers.state.ny.us/Firearms/

Only NYC has ownership licenses on all guns. In the rest of the state, if you are talking about firearm licenses, as that page is, then you are talking about pistol permits. And if you are talking about pistol permits, you are talking about CCW permits, because that's the only kind we have here (restrictions notwithstanding if you happen to be from a more anti county).

Please also note that the 69,898 number is for permits amended last year, it is not the total number of permits in the state. Note further that "dealers reported 83k transactions. So what you should read here is this:

In 1998, 69,838 CCW holders in NY State purchased 83,440 pistols.
 
Not to sound mean or anything........

But I think these conservative folks living in Dixie would prefer not to have their sons and daughters becoming pimps, "gangstas", or whores. Therefore, they have the right to prevent decadent entertainment from entering their homes.

Remember, they are protecting their homes, they are not going out of their way to prevent the show from going on in other places in the country, but they have the full right to protect their beloved mountain community from being subjected to assorted nastiness.

For example, I am totally against the entertainment here in NYC, but I don't try to prevent it by staging boycott, rally or protests. However, none of that stuff shall be permitted to enter my house.
 
Oh, I hope I didn't confuse anyone on this thread.....................

I was talking about pistol licenses in NYC itself, not the rest of the state. Because upstate, there are hunters, target shooters and sportsmen of all kinds. Once you leave the city, it is nothing but true countryside, abundant game, fish, waterfowl, and plenty of places to have fun or spend a weekend.

I obtained the license stats from an article about Donald Trump's son getting his pistol license.
 
why would you NOT want to live in NYC?

It has nothing that I want and much that I try to avoid- Pollution, crowds, no line of sight to the horizon, endless seas of concrete, and of course the near impossibility of owning a firearm, just to name a few- Then there's that attitude that NYC is the begin all and end all of just about everything- If it works for you, great, but it doesn't for me- Different strokes, different folks
 
Firearms laws aside, why would you NOT want to live in NYC? How many of you have actually BEEN there? You simply cannot compare ANY city to NYC. When you count the social culture, the arts (like the Met museum and Met Opera), the food (ever wanted Ethiopian at 3am and been able to order it and get it delivered in rural Idaho?), and the general availability of, well, everything. Yeah, owning guns there is a royal pain, but instead of telling people to leave, we should try and convert the current residents. Imagine a Pro-Gun NYC.

NYC really is not a city, it is an open air prison. The prison guards are on every street corner ready to tell you to move along if you stand in one place too long and in every subway ready to search your bags on a whim. That is disgusting enough for me to never set foot in that forsaken place again. Take too many pictures with a nice camera and they'll demand to see your "permit". The warden demands you kowtow to him and remain unarmed, you peasant -- don't forget your place.

That aside, going to the same museum twice becomes boring, opera is really lame, ethiopian food is overrated, and in the US everything is generally available with a new fangled tool called the internet and FedEx.

-T
 
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