Disturbing TSA Blunder

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musher

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Ok, up front I've got to say I've never been pleased with the implementation of the TSA. Even with that bias, I figured it was worth sharing this experience so others could possibly avoid it.

On July 19 I travelled from Juneau to Fairbanks via AK Air. Among other baggage (including a cooler full of king crab :cool: ), I was travelling with a long-gun case containing a shotgun and a checked bag containing a glock 27, a box of .40 ammo and a box of 12 ga ammo.

As usual the check-in with AK Air went smoothly. I signed my 2 declaration cards and put them in the right places. Then things got a bit strange. In other airports, I've been asked to leave the luggage unlocked and observe (but don't touch) the relocking process. In Juneau, I was asked to lock both bags containing firearms. After they went behind the wall, a TSA agent came out and asked for my keys. I told him that I would prefer to unlock the bags myself, as I wasn't supposed to relinquish my keys but he informed me that 'That's not how we do it' Clearly, in order to travel I was going to have to give him my keys, so I did. I asked that I be allowed to confirm that the bags were locked before they were sent on. The TSA guy just grunted and left with my keys.

About 20 min later, he came back out with my keys. I asked to see the bags to confirm that they had been properly sealed and he told me that they had moved on a while ago. When I reminded him that I had requested to see them, he called a second TSA agent out who assured me that he had personally overseen the relocking of the bags and that everything was fine.

Ok, it was annoying, but I moved on. That is, until I arrived at Fairbanks. Here's a picture of the bag containing the glock and ammo as it came off the belt at Fairbanks


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YIKES. I quickly felt around inside and determined that the dangerous stuff was still there. As you can see here, it wouldn't have taken much to lose the handgun case

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(Before this picture I removed the locks in front of TSA in Fairbanks to verify the handgun was inside)

Inspecting the bag it was apparent that they had removed my clothes, probably to pull out the handgun. When they repacked the bag, they didn't refold the clothes, but simply stuffed them into the bag randomly. When I had packed the bag there was no stress on the zipper (it wasn't overstuffed) After the TSA repacking, the bag was too full to close properly and they cross-threaded the zipper trying to make it fit. The open part is where the zipper blew out along its length. So much for making the airport safer!

The TSA agent in Fairbanks gave me a tip along with a claim form to send to WA DC when I contacted him about this. He said that folks can request a private inspection of their luggage if they desire. In the future, I will always be making this request in order to be sure that these folks actually can work a zipper after they tear my bag apart confirming that there really is a handgun inside there.

FWIW

musher
 
Regardless of how much training is required for airport security people, as long as they are being paid substandard wages, substandard people will be filling those positions. You can give a half wit a piece of paper certifying him as a Ph.D in mathamatics, but he's still not going to understand calculus.
 
Mea Culpa.

I know the rules and attempted to explain them to the TSA agent. I did not have a copy of the regs with me.

I made the decision to cooperate mostly because I was travelling with my family and did not want to spend the night at the airport with my 4 year old son.

You are definitely correct about having printouts of the statutes and regulations. When travelling with Frontier, on 2 occasions they attempted to place a bright red tag with the words "CONTAINS FIREARM" on the OUTSIDE of my checked bag. Having the printout of the appropriate statute (including the fact that it's a felony) put a stop to that nonsense.

musher
 
Hi Everyone,

Courtesy of Art Eatman and Jeff OTMG, there is a floating thread in General Gun Discussions regarding the CFRs and TSA FAQ issues discussed here. Check it out....
 
Mr. ACP, thanks for the tip, however

I probably won't be checking in on it, since I vowed to never again get on an airplane without my shootin' iron.

Thousands of hours, I spent as a naval avaitor and never once, did I board an aircraft without a firearm. (OK, so it was one of those old Victory model S&Ws with 5 chambers loaded with tracers)

I don't care. Since 9/11, I am afoot till they figure out that it is the armed citizen that makes flights safe.

It's kind of a mental freedom which I have encountered since I made my vow. This winter I go to California to visit grandchildren. I'm drivin' and I'm packin'.

Feels Good. :)

Maybe I'll stop off in the desert and look at some bead work or rattlesnakes. Who knows? :D
 
I'm under the impression that any of us who must fly and are taking a firearm should carry the TSA regulations so we can prove it to them. They don't know their own regulations.
 
i'm sure there are problems all across the nation, but lately alaska has had a couple of different problems, either from the TSA or baggage handlers. one airlines has had several thefts of passengers goods. the TSA has gone to great lengths to insist that they are not the problem, but have planned to install video cameras in the baggage inspection area.

thats not where one really need to worry. its the baggage handlers that cannot be fully supervised.

recently a product was shown on the local news, a lock that only the tsa and the passenger would have a key for. it sounds good, but all a handler would need to do is buy one of the locks (since they probably are universal) and they'd have keys too.
 
spacemanspiff,

Can you tell me the name of the airline that's having problems? I travel all over Alaska on a fairly regular basis, and would probably avoid them (when possible) until they get it straightened out.

Of course, our options are limited when travelling in this state...

Thanks

musher
 
...a lock that only the tsa and the passenger would have a key for. it sounds good, but all a handler would need to do is buy one of the locks (since they probably are universal) and they'd have keys too.

I saw these locks too. The model that I saw was a combination lock (problem number one) that had a bypass key slot that "allegedly" only the TSA has access to (problem number two).

The locks are pretty wimpy as well. No way I would lock any of my gun cases with those little things. I figure they're designed more for keeping baggage handlers outta your underwear.
 
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