merlinfire
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Anywhere there's people, you may need a gun.
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With that logic cops should not be armed in stadiums
Anti freedom people always churns the belly but I do thank you for the suggestion and well wishes for gastrointestinal peace. I will respectively go another direction. I think I will pop a cork on some Severed Head Red.Sorry if my attitude upsets your tummy, try some Pepto Bismol
Exeter,If a cop needs to pull a gun in a stadium, the panic is already underway. Local news this summer had a belligerent drunk at a baseball game. He was so drunk the tazer didn't work, they took him down with nightsticks. Only injury was to the actor, and he didn't feel it for hours.
Cops are pros, they train for these circumstances. They have a variety of options they use in preference to firearms in that circumstance. Noone is saying you can't protect yourself, I would strongly suggest you take stock of how you protect yourself, and prepare accordingly.
I personally have a walking stick/cane I carry in places where I deem a firearm is not appropriate. Never raised an eyebrow, and it's a very effective weapon at close quarters. I also have defense sprays and knives, and carry them either singly or in combination, depending on the circumstances. I take my personal defense seriously, and there's a lot more to it that just tucking a pistol into an IWB holster.
Sorry if my attitude upsets your tummy, try some Pepto Bismol, you'll feel better in no time.
I am concerned with protecting myself but I would rather die than cause the death of innocent people. I could not live a happy life knowing I did that. If that make me Anti freedom to some then so be it. But being raised a good southern Christian I like to call it pro honorable
On a side note I read a study that using over reacting highly embellished vocabulary causes stomach problems.
it has nothing to do with discipline or knowledge. If you read all my post you would know I attend a lot of college football games so I know the environment very well. I have zero use for a firearm in a football stadium. Zero use. That has absolutely nothing to do with knowledge or discipline.you lack the discipline to know not to deploy your legally carried firearm when it would pose a danger to other innocent people then maybe 'you' shouldn't be carrying a gun at all. It's not for everyone.
Exeter,
Cops carry guns too. They somehow muster enough intelligence to know not to use their firearm in certain situations. Are you saying that a legally armed citizen doesn't somehow possess that same intelligence?
Is it you who doubts your ability to make the right decision in a crowded venue therefore you assume that all other citizens lack that ability as well? Have you ever carried your concealed weapon into a crowded mall or restaurant?
I think you grossly underestimate the strong desire that law abiding gun owners have to avoid doing something stupid with their firearm.
BTW, cops and armed citizens is an apples and oranges comparison. Cops are trained to a degree citizens are not, and they live it every day, gaining experience that private citizens do not have. The cops are at the stadium watching for trouble. You are there to watch a game. I will reiterate, a stadium is a unique situation, unique enough that I don't have a problem with letting the pros handle security. Malls, restaurants, completely different situation
What exactly makes a crowded stadium any different than a crowded mall, restaurant, park, etc.?
What exactly makes a crowded stadium any different than a crowded mall, restaurant, park, etc.?
I think I will pop a cork on some Severed Head Red.
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First part of my post. Population density, control of access from the outside, and security presence. In a stadium, you have 50,000 to 80,000 people seated as densely as on an airliner. Access is through clearly defined points where checks for restricted items can be easily done. Security presence is high and there is a high proportion of professional LEO. Not the same as a mall, park, or restaurant.
And how does this guarantee your personal safety?
To me, this whole discussion about where a person should be able to possess a gun would be like car keys. People get injured/killed by drunk drivers every year... so we should make it illegal to drink alcohol and be in possession of car keys, right? Or we should make it illegal to possess car keys in any place that serves alcohol, including stadiums, right?
My palate, alas, in less sophisticated: New Castle Brown
now if you would just embrace the concept that we CCLs are more not a problem...in fact we are less likely to cause a problem than policemen that can go virtually anywhere with a plethura of weapons.
(See post 140)
Let me add to that -- people who lack the discipline to effectively and safely use a firearm shouldn't project their inadequacies onto the rest of us.TennJed,
If you lack the discipline to know not to deploy your legally carried firearm when it would pose a danger to other innocent people then maybe 'you' shouldn't be carrying a gun at all. It's not for everyone.
The stance I am taking is that in a stadium environment, you have to balance your feeling of personal safety with the potential collateral damage you can cause should you exercise that particular option. The balance I see is: gain in additional personal security from having a firearm in a stadium, very minimal. Potential for harm to innocents should weapon be deployed, extremely high.