Do cops carry one in the chamber?

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In a down-'n-dirty self defense situation, peace officer or non-peace officer, a handgun without a round in the chamber, is nothing more than an expensive, awkward club. :uhoh:

L.W.
 
Empty Chamber in Israel

FYI learn2shoot the reason Israelis are not allowed to carry with one in the chamber is simple. It has nothing to do with history. It has to do with the fact that there is no such thing as concealed carry in Israel. This creates a high danger situation since almost everyone in Israel knows how to operate a both handguns and assult rifles. It would be to easy to grab someone's gun and shoot them or others with it. Since every gun is a little different it would take a little longer to rack the chamber disengage the safety and then fire, buying time for others to take down the perp. As far as rifles are concerned, Israelis are not allowed to carry a mag in the rifle unless they are on duty cops, soldiers actively guarding a post, or in a settlement. All of this is not to say that Israelis dont carry one in the chamber, but if they're caught, they can pay hefty fines and even have their guns confiscated. :(
 
Another thing I forgot to mention is that my revolver has a transfer bar system so the firing pin is never resting on the primer or even protruding from the frame until the trigger is fully depressed.
 
Straz, how is carrying concealed or openly any different in regards to having a round in the chamber or not? Either way, the weapon isn't ready to fire should trouble come around. If someone gets your gun, and has to rack the slide, they are at no disadvantage to everyone else who also has to draw and ready the weapon before they shoot.
I think your reasoning is a bit flawed there. Whether or not this is law, I don't know. I'm having trouble finding any in depth Israeli firearms laws that I can read.

http://www.jpfo.org/israel-firearms.htm
The above doesn't cover anything regarding carry of weapons.
 
In the P.d. that I am applying to: you are issued 3 mags for a full frame glock in .45acp; the glock 20. One firearm,40 rds, and a level three retetion holster. Each mag holds 13 rds. that makes 39 rds in the mags. Take a guess what the last rd is for.
 
I know of three places in my state where they are ordered to carry empty chamber. When asked why they were told by management . I his opinion they wern't qualified to carry loaded :confused: :what: it was for the saftey of the employees.
Follow up you only have to carry 18rds for your 38 sig anyways.:fire: :banghead: :cuss:
When asked how they determined that , reply was the speed loader only holds 6. Brought to you by a paperpusher hired to save money so he contract's out protection to a foreign Government illegal under us law. at all times back in 1994 the ports deal is nothing next to this.
Now are you ready for the kicker ?
All 3 sites are us government. Have and store material that if any one has a major oh sh t. Everything upwind or east for 6.000 miles is no longer livABLE FOR THE NEXT HALF MILLION YEARS. THAT'S RIGHT THE FOREIGNERS HAVE THE BLACK BOX KEYS. PS IF YOU DRAW YOU EMPTY CHAMBER WEAPON YOUR FIRED. :eek: BECAUSE YOU MIGHT USE on of those awful disgusting things.
I know of at least 20-30 who bring some extra rds with them and just try to remember to unload beore check out. makes your heart warm and fuzzy dosen't it. so most people just ignore it and prefer to go home at night or wait on jury trial plus fox news.
 
I thinik it is a good question to ask if you carry one in the chamber.

Here is a little Event to consider if you don't carry with one in the chamber:

Prosecuter: Have you ever done or had demonstrated the Tueller drill your training?
Defendant: Yes.
Prosecuter: And that demonstrates how long it takes an assialant to place you mortal danger?
Defendant: Yes.
Prosecuter: Did you rack the slide on your gun before firing at the assailant?
Defendant: Yes Sir.
Prosecuter: And you were in fear of your life when you fired?
Defendant: Yes, I was.
Prosecuter: How far was the assialant?
Defendant: About 20ft.
Prosectuer: So, you had time to rack your slide and shoot the assialant?

See where this is going?
 
bpsig

I have no idea what you just said, can you slow down, check for spelling errors and typo's and say that again?
 
okay here goes again.
there is a certain place in my state that mandates no chamber round. Reasoning was per management it is a saftey issue. They are worried about workers saftey at site. They (mangement) are under the impression that officers carry 38 sig revolvers and only need 18 rds. Not a error or typo. Direct quote name with held .
This site is under directive of us gov. control and operation. It has very large storage and operations of strategic materials.
One of the manegment officals have openly stated that don't worry about perimiter or outside areas. We have to keep those concrete blocks from walking away ignore everything else. Ignore duty to protect site and materials stored outside fence . It turns out the us gov to save $ and get a bonous shifted control of site protection to a foreign Government. back in 1994 common knowledge to people around site. Most of the people there I know refuse to carry empty. Basic saftey issue as well as very poor chances of help coming depending on who is working with you. ps the also banned knives over 2 inch blades. i personally have always carried a loaded chamber to much risk to not. besides what part of unexpected do some people not realize ?
 
bpsig, no offense meant sir

You write like a person who never learned how to speak English.
I am not telling you this to try and offend you, its just that
I doubt anyone reading your post has any clue about what you are talking about.
As far as I can tell, you work for a foreign subcontractor
in a gov't facility that has hazardous materials.

Thats it the rest is gibberish about sig revolvers and 18 round something.
Is English your first language?
 
If he keeps his finger off the trigger and doesn't play with his revolver, why is this a "safety issue"?
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This is likely a carry over from the days of no interupts between the hammer and the primer. If you commonly carried a Single Action Army with all 6 chambers loaded, a blow to the hammer could send a 250 bullet down your entire leg. Many DA revolvers had the same set up. I doubt many of these are seeing active service today, but some read old safety practices and transfer the out dated info to modern guns.

Jerry
 
I'm not in law enforcement, but my preference for carry guns is:

DA/SA or DAO. Yes, it is always kept at maximum capacity. [My favorites are the modest DAO 380 by AMT or the DA/SA PPK/S, in case you are wondering].

In Israel, I've read that it is, or was, common to keep the chamber empty. The reason was that people handling guns might be unfamiliar with the particular weapon issued/lent to them [many guns circulate, firing systems are different, etc].

This particular situation [Israel gun condition] was brought up on another forum a few months ago, in response to a short clip on a film trailer. The agent drew, racked, and was ready to shoot in a flash. That's when someone chimed in with the correct terminology for their specific carry condition, the name of the draw, and the historical reason for their rules. It goes back to 1946 [or close to it, after a number of ADs].
 
My point is this. If someone dosen't know or understand the equipment you carry or how can they make a determination as to what is safe ? Nothing is 100 % safe . No one there has a revolver, replaced years ago by sig 226. The problem is that some people in management can't tell the difference. The last one tried to eliminate all weapons on site because couldn't understand why people were carrying them. They did manage to remove m-60's mp-5's , 50 cal and most barriers . This sort of mentality is problematic to many industries. I know, there is a saftey issue : if you have a yahoo trying to fast draw because of boredom . But to be working in a location with lots of the largest ordinance produced by the u.s. and only used twice in 1945. Well . Empty chambers are one of the worst ideas ever at least there. Granted some people are dangerous with a water gun. But I digress. question is. this Would cops carry empty ? These days in uniform or off with your family ?
I think not .
 
There's no point in carrying your weapon if your not going to keep it chambered!
Do you think the joker is going to wait for you to chamber a round while your adrenalin is pumping, your as good as dead!
 
ok, I think I understand a little better bpsig

Keep on contributing here and your writing will improve.
I need to improve mine a great deal as well.

My brother is a cop and he hardly ever carries off duty:banghead:

He wants a good reason to stay out of crimes in progress:confused:

Also his dept is zero tolerance for drinks and he likes a beer off duty he could get fired if he has a drink and a gun.
 
I don't post here much but what part of Tennessee are you in?

I never heard this B.S. you speak of. A little goofball dept. like (inset three man dept. here) does not apply to my comments.

Try enrolling at Walters State to learn basic english.
 
everybody i know carries one in chamber whenever they have their guns off duty or not. i know a lot of cops who dont carry all the time of duty becasue its not worth the hassel in their opinion. i personally think that comes from doing it everyday due to the job.
 
One in the chamber makes sense, but I sure wish my Glock had a "real" safety, instead of the three "so-called" safeties.

Regards.
 
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