Do I want a Smith and Wesson Sigma?

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ever consider a revolver?

If you really want something that will go bang EVERY time, you might consider a revolver. I personally prefer having a few more rounds at my disposal, but reliability and shootability are primary considerations. ruger sp101 357's or 38's are going for $350-400 online, and Taurus revolvers aren't a bad product either, anymore. just a thought.

I also own a CZ "clone" (witness 10mm) and am looking at the cz 2075 RAMI as a concealed carry gun. my experience with the witness has been nothing but pleasurable.
 
try all the ones the posters b4 put forth,,,,

buy the one that works best in YOUR hand if it costs a few bucks more save more then get it.

handguns are very much personal preference weapons.

ignore the fanboy drivel.
 
I've thought about a revolver but have very little experience with them so I don't want to get one for HD and decide I don't like shoot revolvers...
I'll get one later on, just not a priority right now.
 
I wonder if all of the negative posters have even realy fired one let
alone owned one.
Buy one. Put 500 rounds through it . Trigger gets better. And it hits
minute of human at reasonable ranges. Thats what it was made for.
And yes I own two. Bought them at Cabela's Kansas City for $259.00
each and got the free extra mags.
C R Charlie
 
I have fired one that a friend had. It is a .40 VE and is a very reliable pistol. To me it was more controlable than the Ruger P95.

I think for the most part people are still holding to the bad publicity S&W got for making a "Glock Clone". And, all the problems that the original Sigma's had. A lot of guns have problems when they are first introduced until the kinks get worked out.

You don't see as much negativity about them. To me, the Sigma is a whole lot better feeling than a Glock and you can get one for a whole lot less money. And, they look a whole lot better for whatever that's worth.
 
I always take a moment to steer people away from Sigmas.

It's the only handgun I ever regretted buying. The front sight fell out, it wouldn't feed hollow-points, and I was young and stupid and didn't realize what "LE-style 12lb trigger" means.

There are too many good handguns out there to waste any time on one that is the least bit iffy. The M&P might be the best thing to come around in 10 years, but it's still at the bottom of my list. How many chances does S&W deserve to get it right?
 
Went to the range today on my way home. I rented a 9mm sigma (they didn't have one in .40), a MP in 40, a Ruger P89, a glock 17, a HK USP 40, and a Taurus 24/7 in .40 I took a friend and we split the rental cost so it wasn't too bad.
We shot sillouettes at 7 yards using reloads that the range makes you use on their rentals-I don't like their reloads, they are dirty and inconsistent compared to WWB:what:

the results:
FIT:
The MP, Sigma, P89 and 24/7 fit my hand well
The Hk usp 40 and glock we not a good fit for me.

Function:
I know they're range guns so the get a lot of use with little attention, but the 24/7 and the P89 both had FTF, a quick tap or pull of the slide solved every instance. The all shot fine besides the feeding issues mentioned above. The all seemed to be easy to work for a left handed person, minus some decocker issues due to my lack of familiarity with the gun, if I bought it and shot it I'd be fine using it)

Accuracy:
Each gun for a test shot 20 rds at 7 yards offhand, weaver stance. The glock and Hk got scratched off the list quickly. The HK was a very sharp recoil and didn't fit my hand. I was unable to shoot well with it. The glock didn't fit my hand well and the trigger safety bugged me, I also wasn't aiming it well. At this point I was thinking about getting a 1911 instead since they fit my hand well. Next was the Ruger p89, I was able to shot it well and hit COM well, it was easy to operate for me. It did have a bit of muzzle flip compared to the glock, yet I was able to shoot it better minus the couple FTF (I am taking that into consideration though). The 24/7 shot very well, the trigger pull was smooth and it aimed well for me, just had a few FTF-I may have limp wristed it. The I got to the S&W MP, I wanted to save the Sigma for last so that I'd see a difference. The Mp fit me well, had a very good trigger and shot where I aimed. It had no issues like the 24/7 or P89 and it grouped well for a worn out range gun (I am not too worried about grouping since the RO's method of cleaning his rentals involves a boresnake and a rag "unless it's really messy". The MP was at this point the victor with the Ruger and 24/7 only falling behind due to their FTF issues.

The Sigma, it fit my hand well, as it did in the store, and it was almost the same feeling as the MP. The trigger was smooth and HEAVY I shot it as well as the MP but I could tell a difference with the trigger (good thing since there is a $100+ price difference) After the 20 rds. I finished off the box of 9mm between it and my Star B. I aimed most of these guns faster than my old star. I tried a little double tapping since the RO lets you, if he knows you:rolleyes: I could get follow up shots off faster and more accuratly with the Sigma than with my Star. I bought some more .40 to play with the MP some more. I like them both. they are both quicker to aim and shoot than my star (that just baffled me, except the sights are much better on them) My buddy is now looking to get a Glock and hates the 24/7 both S&Ws and Ruger...they are "uncomfortable" to shoot.

So now that I've shot both (50-70 rds in each one) I've decided I like both. I'm going to now spend some time reflecting on the trigger. The difference isn't that much to me but I do notice it. So for now I'll just keep saving and by the time I decide I may have enough for an MP anyway.
 
I own a 9ve, flawless in performance!!
Not the prettiest and not the best all around firearm but for what I paid, plus the 2 free mags from S&W its a deal!!

My 9ve will shoot anything put through it, the trigger pull isnt as bad as it seems, and at $300 with 4 high cap mags-you cant go wrong!!
 
There's more BS about the Sigma than almost any gun other than the Mini-14.
They are reliable, comfortable and inexpensive. It ain't a bullseye gun. For HD it is a very capable firearm. If you're new to handgunning I'd get the 9mm. The 40 is not very controllable in the Sigma.
I own a Sigma 40v and a M&P 9mm. I've had one FTF with the M&P when it was brand new. The Sigma has had a zero failure rate and it has fired a lot more rounds than the M&P.
Sigma is good value for the money.
 
If i was to get a gun along those guidelines I'd get a taurus 24/7 over the sigma. About the same price and a way better gun. Either that or i'd save the cash and get the 1911 you wanted in the first place
 
Kung-fu, you did the right thing on the rental method. If you're mostly looking for a carry piece, you might consider the Sigma more than the M&P. Some like the stiffer trigger to guard against ND a little better. The M&P trigger isn't exactly a hair trigger, though. I'd feel comfortable carrying either in a good holster. The nice thing about the Sigma is that it'll fit almost any Glock holster.

The issue you had with the Fail to feeds in the two pistols is likely the ammo. IF the OAL is slightly long they can jam like that. Happens with my reloads every now and then.

If you're looking to reload at any point (something of a cost saver on 40cal) spend the extra money and get the M&P. It doesn't abuse the brass as much and functions on relatively soft loads. Incidently, the Sigma's grip angle was carried over to the M&P. Whatever their hang-ups were on the Sigma, the ergos were great.

Sounds, like you're narrowing it down. I'm sure youll be happy with whatever you get.
 
no, my first experience with poly guns was the sigma, i was not impressed with it then, and still not to impressed now. the triggers are horrible, that is one thing, they are reliable though that is for sure, there is much better out there in my opinion that will cost you only a little more, that i think you would be much happier with.
 
+ a WHOLE bunch on the M&P over the Sigma.

For inexpensive HD, I've had a Rossi .357 snub (and will have another).

The M&P9 (with 147gr hydrashocks) is ideal IMHO - heavy 9mm that actually expand and 17 rounds.

--jcd
 
95% of these naysayers are jumping on the "don't do it" bandwagon because of things they've heard.They're wrong,and I'd bet that the vast majority have never held let alone shoot a new SW9VE ( I own one) and are therefore unqualified to offer an honest opinion.The SW9/40VE is quite possibly the best value out there in a semi-auto handgun.
 
My best friend has one in .40 and I shoot it probably every other time we go to the gun club (about once a week). I would never hunt anything with it, it is terrible for target shooting anything less than mansize past 25 yards, and it has a heavy trigger. It also has never jammed, shoots to point of aim, and loaded with Remington Gold Sabers leaves nasty holes (box of wet newspaper test). Considering that most self defense shootings happen at ten yards or less and across the room distances, I feel that it does exactly what it is made to do. It is a reliable and simple DA only autoloading pistol made with self defense in mind. It works great, anyone can be taught to use it, and the heavy trigger is there because it is the only safety you get other than the one between your ears. Does it shoot 1" groups at 50 yards?...no, Does it feel like a piece of art in your hand?...no, If someone broke in with evil intent at dark:30 would I trust my life to it to be able to function properly?...YES.
 
Yes IF you want the best bargain out there with the factory support and the extra mags for a low dollar dependable gun that will go bang every time with whatever you feed it. I won't part with mine even if I have better ones.
 
I have had several, and still have 2. I even had one of the early ones. 100% reliability with all of them. The trigger is stiff, but I'm actually quite accurate with the ones I have. I think they are quite a bargain. I would just recommend that you try one first, but that really applies to any handgun purchase.
 
I have a SW40G, bought it used - hardly ever shot until bought it. It is a heavy trigger but smoothing out, it's eaten everything I've fed it and only experienced a couple jams after 300 rounds of really dirty reloads.

Sigmas got a bad rep from the early models and some folks here are really unforgiving.
 
I have one of the very early Sigma's I bought from a buddy for $100.00. He hated it after taking it to the range and went and bought a Glock, which is what he really wanted in the first place. It sat in his closet for well over 10 years before I saved it. His lose my gain. Me and my friend sat there watching tv for a couple hours and took turns pulling the trigger racking the slide pulling the trigger racking the slide pulling well you get the point, after pulling the trigger about 1000 times and putting a few thousand rounds through it over the last year I would say it has a very smooth and not very heavy trigger pull now. It wasnt really that bad when I got it but it smoothed out and lightened up alot after a few thousand pulls. It has never jammed on me and it shoots anything I feed it. I really dig these Sigma pistols and Im in the process of trying to rescue some from owners who hate them and will let them go for a good price.

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im thinking of getting one and torture testing it figure get one, plus the 2 free mags. then 2 more. me and 4 friends taking turns shooting and loading mags of cheap 9mm. wolf, SB, WWB see how long it goes till it crashes (after break in period)

nothing but a little oil and making sure we dont heat the chamber enough to cook off rounds.
 
When it comes to 9mm pistols in the Sigma's price range, around $299 on sale, there is only a short list.

The Sigma,
The Ruger P series,
The Stoeger Cougar
The Taurus P111

The only metal framed gun is the Stoeger Cougar formerly the Beretta.

Geoff
Who wishes he could afford a comparison test. :banghead:
 
Won't take long to have spent more on the ammo shot thru it than you did on the gun!
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well thats the point.

if the guns as bad as alot of people claime, it will break down well before i shoot off 300$ worth of ammo.

if i manage to shoot a good amount before she fails then id call that a high price/reliabilty ratio


obv my funding wouldnt allow me to perform a large test like a manufacter could but it would give me an excuse to buy a gun and shoot the crap out of it.
 
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