Do you agree with these recoil tables?

[matt35750]

These recoil tables says a 410 shotgun has 7.1-10.5 foot-pounds of recoil energy. But a 223 round only has 2.6-3.9 foot-pounds of energy. I have never fired a 223 rifle But from looking at YouTube videos of people firing Them It looks like a 223 ar-15 kicks more than 410. How do you explain this? I mean for one thing, the 223 round looks like it has about twice as much gunpowder as a 410 shotgun shell. Do you agree with the findings of this report?

I know when I bought my 410 shotgun it kicked more than I thought it would , especially with 3 inch shells, considering YouTube video showing it having almost no kick whatsoever. However videos show the ar-15 has quite a bit of kick compared to the 410, it doesn't make sense considering this recoil table. Here are the reports.

http://www.chuckhawks.com/shotgun_recoil_table.htm

http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm

 

[Warners]

I would say the .410 kicks more than a .223, for sure - depending on the gun, of course. Cycling the action on most .223 chambered guns sucks up a good portion of the recoil that would otherwise find your shoulder.

Warner

 

[TurtlePhish]

If it looks like the AR has more recoil, it only LOOKS like that. ARs in .223 have almost no recoil to speak of. All of the movement you see is just from the mass of the bolt carrier group cycling in the receiver.

 

[xfyrfiter]

The difference in felt recoil is significant even in break barrell guns, the .223 round is so light in comparison to the load in a 410 that it [410] recoils much harder. The amount of powder makes little difference in most ammunition, it is the weight of the projectile and inertia.

 

[easyg]

I remember one of our Drill Sgt.'s placing the butt of his M16 against his groin and firing a magazine of ammo on full auto.
He was showing those who had never fired a rifle that the recoil of the M16 is nothing to fear.

 

[j.kramer]

recoil of 5.56 is like .22lr

recoil of .308 is almost the same

at least on my rifles

 

[matt35750]

what I mean is that the ar15 looks like the stock is kicking into your shoulder pretty hard but on the 410 it hardly moves at all.

 

[radiotom]

You should try shooting them...
223 has next to no kick at all.

 

[Jeff H]

the 223 round looks like it has about twice as much gunpowder as a 410 shotgun shell.

Apples to oranges comparison. medium speed Rifle powder and super fast shotgun/pistol powders behave totally differently. You can't compare the two based on how much powder is used.

 

[Sav .250]

Your opinion vs a factual report. That`s a no brainer.

 

[matt35750]

they said the 410 had no recoil either, then when I shot it I found that wasent true

 

[Kiln]

If you think that the .410 has any recoil to speak of, try some 3" magnum buckshot from a 12 guage.

Try the No. 5 Jungle Carbine in .303 and get back to me.

The .223 has extremely low recoil. The AK/SKS has much more recoil than any AR15 type rifle I've fired.

 

[denton]

The conventional calculations for recoil are pretty much meaningless. We use them because they are conveniently easy, not because they predict much that is useful.

What we calculate is the total change in momentum of a freely recoiling firearm.

Problem 1: A firearm tucked in your shoulder pocket is a long way from freely recoiling. The amount of force you will feel depends on your body mass, posture, etc., as well as what goes on in the firearm.

Problem 2: Our bodies do not directly perceive change in momentum, they respond to pressure, which is force/area.

Problem 3: The calculations deliver a total net change, blind to whether that was a big force over a short time, or a little force over a long time.

So we're violating the fundamental assumptions of the calculation, and we're calculating something that doesn't matter.

 

[chris in va]

Unless I missed somehing, you guys are assuming the 223 was shot out of an AR. I suspect it was from a bolt action.

 

[matt35750]

why would it matter?

 

[ball3006]

If you worry about recoil of a gun, just don't shoot it. Only wussies worry about such trivial matters....chris3

 

[JohnBT]

I agree with the tables.

Your basic 2.5" .410 shell has 1/2 ounce of pellets. (1/2 ounce = 218.75 grains)

Your basic 3" .410 shell has 11/16ths of an ounce. (11/16 ounce = 300.78grains)

Your typical .223 round is a mere 55 grains or 62 grains.

Play around with the recoil equation and you'll see how much the payload affects the recoil.

 

[carolinaboomer]

Start out small & work your way up. Don't let people do you like they did us growing up & hand you a lightweight single shot 12 gauge loaded with buckshot for laughs when it bruised your pre-adolescent shoulder! Been shooting for years but the largest I've fired is my Southgate CA Mark V Weatherby in .300 Weatherby Magnum. Just bought a Browning BPS 10 gauge & got a box of Remington Nitro Steel with 1 3/4 oz BB shot. That joker has a wallop to it. Don't know how that would compare to a .378 or .460, but it's plenty of recoil for me. Just take it easy & don't try to be "macho" cause then you'll develop a flinch, which is the bane of all shooting. Try all kinds & find the ones that you shoot well and can handle, & those will be deadly in your hands on game and/or targets.

 

[matt35750]

I have a bum shoulder from a old injury that never healed right it annoys me when people say a 410 has no kick, according to that chart it has the the same kick as a 6mm and a 30-30! I wish people told me the truth before I bought it and I hope people arent lying to me about the 223 because I might buy one and you can't return them.