Kahr carrier
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Once and awhile.
Do you rely on cops?
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DeltaElite
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Labgrade,
I too have my preconceptions about cops, trust me they aren't that good either.
I agree with what you wrote, we all have a preconception of many, if not all professions.
My comments definitely were not aimed at you.
My post was an attempt to get people to think and maybe reconsider their position.
I hope no one sustained any injuries by thinking.
I too have my preconceptions about cops, trust me they aren't that good either.
I agree with what you wrote, we all have a preconception of many, if not all professions.
My comments definitely were not aimed at you.
My post was an attempt to get people to think and maybe reconsider their position.
I hope no one sustained any injuries by thinking.
labgrade
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I know, DE, but Yah!, my head does hurt.
"Speeding tickets. It's all an insurance scam and is a cultural icon unique to the US. The Germans don't need them."
The fact of the matter is a helluva a lot of BGs with warrants on them speed, drive with lights out, and run red lights. Remember Tim McVeigh was originally stopped on a traffic violation? I used to be of the mindset that cops looking for people speeding was dead wrong until I posted the question on a LEO forum at 1911Forum.com. It resulted in 100+ replies and some interesting perspective from the LEO side. I'll post a link to it when I get home and have access to that forum.
Mark
The fact of the matter is a helluva a lot of BGs with warrants on them speed, drive with lights out, and run red lights. Remember Tim McVeigh was originally stopped on a traffic violation? I used to be of the mindset that cops looking for people speeding was dead wrong until I posted the question on a LEO forum at 1911Forum.com. It resulted in 100+ replies and some interesting perspective from the LEO side. I'll post a link to it when I get home and have access to that forum.
Mark
Here's that link:
http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24868&highlight=citadel99
Mark
http://www.1911forum.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24868&highlight=citadel99
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Relly on cops. Heck no.
Can they be here in the time it takes me to get one of my guns.
No.
Can they get to me by the time I stop and confront a criminal outside.
No
The last time I seen a police react to a shooting was about a year ago. In a apartment complex I lived near by, there was a gun shot from a area that had allot of yelling. A domestic violence situation. I timed the responce time for the cops. It was 70 minutes and then he knocked on the doors and looked around and then left. Unbelievable!
Cops are for the sheeple and to inforce MORE new laws to take our money.
I just saw a new sign today 85 bucks for driving without a seatbelt.
I wounder what the next new laws will be.
Can they be here in the time it takes me to get one of my guns.
No.
Can they get to me by the time I stop and confront a criminal outside.
No
The last time I seen a police react to a shooting was about a year ago. In a apartment complex I lived near by, there was a gun shot from a area that had allot of yelling. A domestic violence situation. I timed the responce time for the cops. It was 70 minutes and then he knocked on the doors and looked around and then left. Unbelievable!
Cops are for the sheeple and to inforce MORE new laws to take our money.
I just saw a new sign today 85 bucks for driving without a seatbelt.
I wounder what the next new laws will be.
Gmac
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No way! The nearest donut shop is 4 miles away in the next town and if the cops aren't there they're writing speeding tickets on the 4 lane highway along the edge of town (50m.p.h. limit) to pay their salaries.The county sheriff and deputies are the only leo's we can depend on. Our wonderful state troopers are nothing more than a source of revenue for our brain dead antigun governor Bobby Daft er a Shaft no I mean Taft. Oh well I'll calm down after I take my meds.
Gary
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Respect them? I only respect individuals. Putting on a uniform and a badge doesn't entitle one to true respect. And I certainly don't respect the cops in my area who used to run protection for drug runners, murdered a disabled veteran, witnessed someone breaking into a house and drove away because it was shift change, or raped women in their cruiser after pulling them over.
Rely on them? For taking reports on traffic accidents, sure. For protecting me or mine, no way.
Rely on them? For taking reports on traffic accidents, sure. For protecting me or mine, no way.
labgrade
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Gotta say this:
Having once been one, I can say that "cops" generally want to do the right thing - usually. Some do, some don't. Many times they're not allowed to - there's a chain of command to dictate such. Not the line-guys' fault many times.
Training aspects versus budget get in the way.
All told, I'm in favor.
But, with conditions, & none of these conditions depend on them.
We've some local issues, like the "water-Nazis" who "patrol" (as if ) our local county lakes = "Salmon Watchers" & their ilk. Nothing but JBT wannabes - & ripe "targets" too boot, as they have zero situational awareness. Watching the water lap at the shore has never been a decent enough preventative measure against an attack not coming from the waterline ......
Can't even tell you about my exit from The Cops - a few of "our own" were feloniously charged for "things."
One very close to me had her first "sexual experience" in the back seat of a GA Sheriff's car. Most would call it rape.
I know a couple cops first-hand & they're everything y'all'd want them to be - many others aren't.
I flip the coin based on the person, not the uniform.
No matter.
Relying on "the cops" is like relying on an English-speaker at Mac D - it's an iffy thing.
I'm not anti-cop, but I am most certainly pro-folks - here 'n now.
Having once been one, I can say that "cops" generally want to do the right thing - usually. Some do, some don't. Many times they're not allowed to - there's a chain of command to dictate such. Not the line-guys' fault many times.
Training aspects versus budget get in the way.
All told, I'm in favor.
But, with conditions, & none of these conditions depend on them.
We've some local issues, like the "water-Nazis" who "patrol" (as if
) our local county lakes = "Salmon Watchers" & their ilk. Nothing but JBT wannabes - & ripe "targets" too boot, as they have zero situational awareness. Watching the water lap at the shore has never been a decent enough preventative measure against an attack not coming from the waterline ......Can't even tell you about my exit from The Cops - a few of "our own" were feloniously charged for "things."
One very close to me had her first "sexual experience" in the back seat of a GA Sheriff's car. Most would call it rape.
I know a couple cops first-hand & they're everything y'all'd want them to be - many others aren't.
I flip the coin based on the person, not the uniform.
No matter.
Relying on "the cops" is like relying on an English-speaker at Mac D - it's an iffy thing.
I'm not anti-cop, but I am most certainly pro-folks - here 'n now.
P95Carry
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Labgrade ..... a pretty balanced assessment IMO . thx. I go along with that pretty well.
G-Raptor
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Rely on cops? For what?
Cops provide a valuable service to society. They help to deter crime and maintain public order. They used to be called "peace officers" for a reason. Now they are "law enforcement". It has a different connotation.
Cops are the intermediaries for most of society. They are (or at least try to be) the neutral party in civilian disputes and have the authority and force to end physical conflicts. They also put bad guys in jail when they can find them.
But despite the good that they do, I don't rely on them personally. I don't expect a cop to "protect" me. When the flag goes up, he won't be there, it's that simple. If I have a personal conflict with someone, I'll try to handle it as long as they remain rational. If they stop being rational, I call a cop so I have a report of the other guy's idiocy.
However, if I'm surrounded by an angry mob and a squad car rolls up, I would appreciate a ride.
Cops provide a valuable service to society. They help to deter crime and maintain public order. They used to be called "peace officers" for a reason. Now they are "law enforcement". It has a different connotation.
Cops are the intermediaries for most of society. They are (or at least try to be) the neutral party in civilian disputes and have the authority and force to end physical conflicts. They also put bad guys in jail when they can find them.
But despite the good that they do, I don't rely on them personally. I don't expect a cop to "protect" me. When the flag goes up, he won't be there, it's that simple. If I have a personal conflict with someone, I'll try to handle it as long as they remain rational. If they stop being rational, I call a cop so I have a report of the other guy's idiocy.
However, if I'm surrounded by an angry mob and a squad car rolls up, I would appreciate a ride.
Mastrogiacomo
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Not until I need one and then it's HELL YES!
MLH
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Labgrade
Not to change the subject but how's the boy? Been praying and hope he's getting better.
Not to change the subject but how's the boy? Been praying and hope he's getting better.
Mike Irwin
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Sure I do.
Someone has to keep all those donut shops safe for democracy...
Someone has to keep all those donut shops safe for democracy...
bunkie
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No, I don't rely on the cops. Any time you are justified in using deadly force to defend yourself, you do not have time to call the cops. If you did, deadly force would not be justified! In this world, if you choose to defend yourself against violence, you should be fully prepared to act decisively and swiftly. If not, it is better to do nothing and hope for the best. The cops have a role in society and the balance of things, but sometimes we look at them as something they are not. Cops are supposed to prevent crimes, and investigate things that have already happened. They can't be, nor would I want them to be everywhere at once. They have a crappy job and deal with the dregs of society. But before we put them on a pedistal as noble defenders of the public, remember this: They volunteered and get paid pretty well. They can quit. They are not like the humble soldier thousands of miles from home, defending his country with his life for far less pay and appreciation. The soldier lives in a hole in the ground, endures the elements, is away from his loved ones for months on end, and can't quit. The cops go home every night and live under the same protection the military provides everyone. Too often I listen to the whines and moans of some cops about how tough it is out there. Bulls**t. You are more likely to get hit by a train than killed by a suspect as a cop. When a cop does get killed, it is more than likely because he or she got sloppy, lazy or just wasn't paying attention. They knew the job was dangerous when they took it. If they 'aint tough enough to handle it, then quit. For every one cop out there on the sharp end, there are 2 administrators, a dozen or so detectives, juvenile, and property crimes detectives as well as a bunch on injured light duty (softball injuries) as well as a bunch just hanging around, getting paid as sworn law enforcement officers. Some cops are in fact brutal, officious and have personal agendas. Others abuse power for financial or other reasons. Before y'all dismiss my comments as anti-cop, I should submit that I was a cop for 6 years, on the streets, and I did shoot a dog once. I quit because I found a better job. If any cop doesn't like or can't handle the job, quit whining and find something else to do.
As citizens, don't expect the cops to do what every man should be able to do for himself.
As citizens, don't expect the cops to do what every man should be able to do for himself.
P95Carry
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Pretty good set of comments there bunkie .... can't argue much with that at all.
answerguy
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I gotta ask-
In how many jobs do you get the death penalty for being sloppy lazy or not paying attention?
In how many jobs do you get the death penalty for being sloppy lazy or not paying attention?
Baba Louie
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Cops in the family since the 50's.
My take on 'em (FWIW)
As my dear old Daddy says about handguns, " I'd rather have 'em and not need 'em, than need 'em and not have 'em".
A very tough job. I've only experienced Professionals in my limited exposure here in LV and back in KC, MO.
I rely on them to follow up if need be (hope I never have the "need be").
And I never, ever, want to be, or plan to be, on the wrong side of a situation involving LE, thank you very much.
Again, to quote dear old dad, "Ride with the law, Baba Louie, not agin it"
Adios
My take on 'em (FWIW)
As my dear old Daddy says about handguns, " I'd rather have 'em and not need 'em, than need 'em and not have 'em".
A very tough job. I've only experienced Professionals in my limited exposure here in LV and back in KC, MO.
I rely on them to follow up if need be (hope I never have the "need be").
And I never, ever, want to be, or plan to be, on the wrong side of a situation involving LE, thank you very much.
Again, to quote dear old dad, "Ride with the law, Baba Louie, not agin it"
Adios
Dannyboy
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I tend to have more respect for cops in larger cities. Small town cops are usually Nazi-types with nothing better to do than write tickets and harrass kids.
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