Do you think having an "arsenal" could result in indefinite detainment?

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U should'nt worry about anything unless your walking out your house naked with a belt and gun holstered up and a ak slung over your back while your neighbors stare at you. You wave and say "Just gotta make sure noone tries to rob me".
 
i'll stand by it...

How about don't commit credit card fraud, don't lie to federal agents, and don't act like a suspicious criminal/terrorist.

Who knows what he may have done that we just don't know about. If federal agents arrested him, they had a real good reason.

The paperwork involved alone is astounding... He was not some do-gooder. He was planning something The US Gov't thought was harmful. His actions demonstrated his intent. A Judge signed off on it. It was no at all unclear. Take your head out of the sand and see it for what it was.

Play by the rule book, keep your nose clean, and you don't get hassled by "the man" ...you will have no worries.... it is that simple. Really it is. You want to play on the shadey side of things, you'll get watched, signed off on, surveiled, hassled and imprisoned. Why is that hard to get? We're high road. Don't we want to play it straight?
 
It's been said before and a bunch of y'all are ignoring it:

CREDIT CARD FRAUD

LYING TO FEDERAL AGENTS

CONSPIRACY

No matter how you try to spin this, this fool was up to no good.
 
He has been convicted already, or merely accused? I think it makes a rather large difference.

The other issue that is of importance is citizenship. Is he American?
 
YES.

'They' (Fill in the blanks.) can detain you for any bs reason along with screwing up your life. THEY can do this because of the new 'laws' (Gag, cough and vomit time!) and because they THINK that THEY are above the law. Power control freaks, Homeland INsecurity, TSA, some who salivate and love the Patriot Act, etc. which is anything but patriotic love these new rules, regulations and Unconstitutional laws! !@#$%^&*()_+!

You have good and bad people in this nation and overseas/worldwide.

You have good and bad people in ALL professions too.

Bingo to the one lady on her comment to the other poster. Officer's Wife? Thank you lady!

Having more than one gun and to some people even having, gasp, ONE gun is cause for them to think ill of you unless you are in police work or in the military. Many people THINK that way.

You hear them tell stories like he had an arsenal of this or that in the MASS media like Faux Fox or CNN or ?

Some of our writings here and elsewhere could be considered SUBVERSIVE and too freedom loving just like they like to put names on anyone who differs or OBJECTS to the Police State as we know it.

These very people who OBJECT and think this way in our nation would have hated those RADICAL, non compliant, freedom loving, Founding Fathers for sure! We sure as H did not win our freedom from the KING using spitballs!

Catherine
 
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How many times do you see any form of government ignore and not follow the law as we know it or even make up the 'law' as they go along? Gee, you saw this @ Waco, Ruby Ridge, past and present administrations in the District of Criminals, various $goobmint$ agencies, the ATF, some cities, etc. It happens quite often. Look at our past and present attorney generals and Mr. C with H.S.! Look at that WY man with his hunting gear in Denver, CO right now! There are so many cases of this bs in THIS day and age that it is not funny anymore or just a QUIRK.

Disclaimer:

I have never even had a parking ticket in case some other poster reads or MISunderstands my point in this subject matter.

Thank you.

Catherine
 
Catherine & Officers'Wife:

I don't care how many guns any honest citizen has... Re-read the below:


Ali al-Marri, the only "enemy combatant" to be held in the continental United States, is in military custody in Charleston, South Carolina. He was arrested in Peoria, Illinois on December 12, 2001 on charges of credit card fraud and lying to federal agents before being sent to Charleston in 2003. ...... The official, Jeffrey N. Rapp, said that al-Marri was an al-Qaeda sleeper agent whose objective in the United States was to "commit mass murder and disrupt the banking system."​


So the issue isn't his guns in so much as he was bent on doing our country harm. It's vigilent and thought for the security of this country that we read about this after his arrest, not after him blowing up a mall, or bank or killing a lot of innocent US citizens.

All the honest Joes and Janes out there have nothing to worry about. If you're legit, you're legit. Get caught up in CREDIT CARD FRAUD, LYING TO FEDERAL AGENTS and CONSPIRACY, you get tossed in the clink. IMO, they should put him UNDER the prison.

What's with all the Gov't bashing and terrorist sympathy anyway? You want that guy planning something in your town? I'm guessing NO.

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Hysterical media and point of view.

I often wonder how the press would react to what I have on my property: Besides more than a dozen rifles -- semi-auto, "assault style," "high powered scoped," and an "elephant gun" . . . . three Uzis . . .

There's the handguns, semi-auto, high powered, high capacity mags, "long range scoped," "communist bloc military," . . .

Thousands and thousands of rounds of ammo, gun powder, bullets, "ammo mfg materials" (I reload.)

There's diesel and fertilizer in the barn, along with enough barrels, irrigation pipe, timers, remote control devices, wire and detonation materials to build a bomb that would only fit in a Ryder van . . .

And then there's the "controlled substances" . . . They're "controlled." The FDA requires that they be "controlled" and dispensed only with an Rx from an MD. -- but nonetheless they're "controlled substances" -- as distinct from "illegal substances."

I own a small cannon . . .

In other news, I'm a retired veteran, active in volunteer programs with the Fire Dept. and Sheriff's office, clean record, concealed carry permits in two states.

It's all about "point of view."

-- And as for the govt. screwing up and arresting the wrong people as "enemy combattants." There's the case of Mayfield, the man in Portland Oregon who was arrested and detained for a bombing in Spain. He's "Arabic," Muslim, an attorney and a legal citizen.

The "Dept. of Justice" (I use the term reluctantly.) mis-identified his prints, denied him due process, and legal counsel as afforded in the Bill of Rights.

Google: Mayfield Portland Oregon man arrested in spain bombing
 
I don't think Catherine and Officers Wife have any sympathy for Al-Marri but object to the government having too much power over its citizens. Making it legal to detain someone indefinately may have worked in this case but it leaves the door open for future abuse by politicians who are not in power yet.

Didn't Stalin and Adolf Hitler use the power to detain their enemys as a tool to get rid of them? I can think of a few unscrupulous American politicians from the past that I wouldn't want to give this power to. People like President (Tricky Dick) Richard Nixon, Senator Joseph McCarthy, or even Tom Delay who envisioned a one party dictatorship.

As long as a political leader is fair, level headed, and believes in a government by the people, for the people, and of the people we probably won't have a problem with detaining innocent people. However, There are no gaurantees that it will stay that way in future political administrations. Like I said, it leaves the door open for abuse by future political leaders and if its hidden from the media or evidence is planted, no one will even know of the abuse. The administration could also take advantage of attitudes of the times (like the case for the Iraq war or McCarthy's anti communist feelings of his times) to feed the people propaganda and get them to go along with government abuse. There are too many unscrupulous politicians with their own agenda to trust with too much power.

Having said all that I think anyone who is part of an organization that has declared war on the U.S. should be detained at least until all hostilities from that organisation and its allies have stopped. The U.S. would probably be better off if congress formally declared war on organizations like Al-Quaida.
 
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I share the concerns, this guy was up to no good, but we have the rule of law in the US and they need to convict him of the other crimes (such as credit card fruad) and not hold him without trial.

I guess I come from another angle as I am a follow a religon that most hate, and members of the public, including congress critters have said that "we" (as in followers of my faith, or at least close branches of it) should be suppressed. Thankfully our faith has not been attacked as being terrorist supporters (yet).

get the wrong folks in and they can detain you as long as they want, and point to the media that he had evil black rifles and 10 handguns, and of course he was up to no good with that.
 
" I say If federal agents arrested him, they probably had a real good reason."

Somehow, when I hear words like those, the names "Randy Weaver" and "David Koresh" pop into my mind. Of course there were others whose names I don't remember, like the guy who owned the property near Los Angeles that was "needed" for a new park, so the feds trumped up a charge of growing weed and raided his home, killing him in the process.

Anymore I have zero confidence in the altruistic motives of our federal minders. Unfortunately, the mindset they have developed (us vs. them) has infected many local police departments too. I try to stay away from all of them as much as possible.

As far as the charges he's accused of, does anybody else recognize the term "throw down gun"? Like it or not, our history is full of cases, often unnoticed by the masses, where a person is arrested, held until almost the last moment before he/she has to be released, then charged with something anything - to allow the authorities to keep him/her in custody. Many times the new charges are "supported" by evidence that is suspect in itself

I've had ample opportunity to watch our "finest" at work. The gangs are bad but they don't make me pay their wages by taxing me.
 
I find it truly astonishing that some members here feel a person should be detainable indefinitely, without trial, simply because they were arrested on criminal charges. Whatever happened to due process? If he can be denied due process, then so can I or you.
 
Then you have a problem with comprehension. Any citizen denied Constitutional rights under color of law has my sympathy. Those that take the attitude the fed has reason to deny those rights have my disgust.
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That's funny. These "citizens" are attempting to use terror to subvert the constitution, force their form of Islamic law on us and convert us to their religion. That's seems to be everything you object to from your government. They've forfeited their claim as a citizen as far as I'm concerned.

Lindh left his country of birth to take up arms against it. That's blatant renunciation of one's citizenship.

I've yet to see anywhere that Al_Maari was a U.S. citizen.
 
When he is convicted of a crime sympathy will disappear around here. Mere charges are not enough to convince us that his rights should be stripped.

The fact that they have made numerous attempts to prevent this from going to trial tells me that they have nothing more than minor accusations and circumstantial evidence- if anything at all.

If the feds had a case they would hammer him in court and parade it on the news for all of us to see.
 
When he is convicted of a crime sympathy will disappear around here. Mere charges are not enough to convince us that his rights should be stripped.

The fact that they have made numerous attempts to prevent this from going to trial tells me that they have nothing more than minor accusations and circumstantial evidence- if anything at all.

If the feds had a case they would hammer him in court and parade it on the news for all of us to see.
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The fact is that I know that some Americans would be cheering the government on if they went out and "detained" those of my religious beliefs. If he is guilty of such stuff, even if it is credit card fraud, I am not going to cry one tear for him. But they need to put him on trial or hand him over to Qatar.
 
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If federal agents arrested him, they had a real good reason.

Kool-aid at noon, crackers at one.
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Hey Noxx... feel free to drink YOURown Kool-aid ole' buddy ole' pal-o-mine.... just don't invite the rest of us to your own personal Jim Jones rally...
 
Then you have a problem with comprehension. Any citizen denied Constitutional rights under color of law has my sympathy. Those that take the attitude the fed has reason to deny those rights have my disgust.

That's funny. These "citizens" are attempting to use terror to subvert the constitution, force their form of Islamic law on us and convert us to their religion. That's seems to be everything you object to from your government. They've forfeited their claim as a citizen as far as I'm concerned.

Lindh left his country of birth to take up arms against it. That's blatant renunciation of one's citizenship.
I've yet to see anywhere that Al_Maari was a U.S. citizen.
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Jaholder1971, thank you.... That's EXACTLY what i'm talking about...
 
I would respond to those who say keep your nose clean and there will be no troublet that you apparently forget the ATF forms and background checks run on responsible citizens before "legally" purchasing a firearm.
What have you done to merit such investigation into your private purchases?
And to those I may refer to you as comrades instead of friends from now on, since apparently anything for the greater good of the state outwieghs individual liberties...
 
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