I'm sure one of these is decent...
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Does anyone make great pocket pistol?
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Take a look at Boberg (http://www.bobergarms.com/). Small +9mm. Fits well in pocket. DAO, firing pin blocking, no other safeties. Accurate. Can have night sights.
Comes in a pocket size (Shorty) and large. There will soon be a .45 version. You get 9mm or .45 in a package more he size expected of a .380. The quintessential label really belongs on this one.
A new barrel design (retrofitable) may have the rating upped to +P+ and further reduce the already low felt recoil. Firing 9mm in revolver - sharp recoil. Firing Boberg Shorty - not unpleasant at all. It really really is low recoil. The internal design does it.
Very precisely machined weapon. Recommended to run 100 or 200 rounds through it before carry to break it in. It does not care about the shape of the bullet (it has no feed ramp). It does care about poorly crimped ammo. There is a list in the forum of good and bad. The action is unlike anything you have seen. His own deign.
There are reviews on the web. Look through the forum at the Boberg website.
Comes in a pocket size (Shorty) and large. There will soon be a .45 version. You get 9mm or .45 in a package more he size expected of a .380. The quintessential label really belongs on this one.
A new barrel design (retrofitable) may have the rating upped to +P+ and further reduce the already low felt recoil. Firing 9mm in revolver - sharp recoil. Firing Boberg Shorty - not unpleasant at all. It really really is low recoil. The internal design does it.
Very precisely machined weapon. Recommended to run 100 or 200 rounds through it before carry to break it in. It does not care about the shape of the bullet (it has no feed ramp). It does care about poorly crimped ammo. There is a list in the forum of good and bad. The action is unlike anything you have seen. His own deign.
There are reviews on the web. Look through the forum at the Boberg website.
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Kahr probably makes THE quintessential "pocket pistol" with the P380. It has REAL sights that you can actually see...dovetail front and rear.
It has a DAO trigger system that is amazingly light...ZERO "stacking" you simply stroke it through.
It's .75" thick, weighs less than 10 oz unloaded and is 4.9" long x 3.9" tall. All metal parts are stainless which means you can wear it next to your skin.
The ONLY downside is the P380 is not a "cheap" gun...you pay for the quality.
I carry a P380 almost daily because doing so is virtually transparent.
And no, Ruger, S&W, and Kel-tec do NOT have the same type of trigger...nor do they have the ergos.
It has a DAO trigger system that is amazingly light...ZERO "stacking" you simply stroke it through.
It's .75" thick, weighs less than 10 oz unloaded and is 4.9" long x 3.9" tall. All metal parts are stainless which means you can wear it next to your skin.
The ONLY downside is the P380 is not a "cheap" gun...you pay for the quality.
I carry a P380 almost daily because doing so is virtually transparent.
And no, Ruger, S&W, and Kel-tec do NOT have the same type of trigger...nor do they have the ergos.
This is my thought too. I am just trying to figure how the mag is getting accidentally released.
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How great is your pocket?
How great is your pocket? That ultimately determines what is a great pocket pistol. My P-32 is a great pocket pistol in the breast pocket of my sport-shirt, my PF-9 doesn't fit but is a great pocket pistol for my pants pocket, my P-32 is not because it gets lost in too big a pants pocket. My S&W M38 Bodyguard is a great pocket pistol to fire out of the pocket of my coat, my P-32 and PF-9 are not, but my M38 is too bulky for my pants pocket and sport-shirt's pocket.
How great is your pocket? That ultimately determines what is a great pocket pistol. My P-32 is a great pocket pistol in the breast pocket of my sport-shirt, my PF-9 doesn't fit but is a great pocket pistol for my pants pocket, my P-32 is not because it gets lost in too big a pants pocket. My S&W M38 Bodyguard is a great pocket pistol to fire out of the pocket of my coat, my P-32 and PF-9 are not, but my M38 is too bulky for my pants pocket and sport-shirt's pocket.
This might be out of the price range but I love my kimber solo. It is incredibly accurate and easy to shoot. I have keltecs and ruger pocket pistols that work but they are nothing to brag about accuracy wise and have pinching triggers...lots cheaper though.
Pf9 with night sights and 2 extra mags, "at least". I have 6, 2 are 7 rounders. I keep them in the car house and pocket. Gun has never failed to fire, have had most everyone mentioned, My second favorite is the XDS in 45. Also a great little reliable carry, One step larger is the Glock 26, 30. I won't carry anything below a 9mm.
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I also have a Kimber Solo and LOVE it. I've tried carrying the SR9c, compact 1911s, Sig 238, Shield, and j-frame revolvers. None of them felt right to me. The Solo is exactly what I was missing.
It eats up my mild reloads like they are candy. No failures of any kind.
It eats up my mild reloads like they are candy. No failures of any kind.
Remember to take peoples comments about the capabilities of "pocket pistols" with a grain of salt. People seem to equate their ability to shoot one accurately with the accuracy of the weapon when my experience with the LCP, and especially the BG380 is that they are mechanically more accurate than most people shoot by far. If I every get around to reloading some 380 I plan on taking mine to the range and posting some video shooting steel plates at 25-50 yards with mine. I've done it before, the weapon is a lot more capable of shooting that range accurately than I am. As long as I do my job, it will do just fine. That being said, without sights there is no way I could do that. Pistols are no less accurate at short range by having good sights but they sure help at longer than arms distance.
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I have tried a couple of 380's; the Ruger LCP and a Kahr which has a safety and a loaded chamber indicator but found neither particularly accurate. After a local robber took four 380 rounds in the chest at 15 feet and was still talking I lost faith in the 380 and bought a Kahr P9 9MM with a crimson trace laser sight grip which is just slightly larger than the 380 but enough so to be more accurate and with much greater stopping power. I have since upgraded from the Kahr to a Kimber Solo CDP which is quite similar in size but a more attractive and smoother functioning unit out of the Kimber Custom Shop at a higher price.
Despite all the safety features I remain reluctant to routinely carry any of these guns with a chambered round in a pocket holster so I often carry a light S&W hammerless J frame instead unless I really need the smaller size of the Kimber. The only pistol I am comfortable carrying with a chambered round is my HK P7 which is very accurate and completely safe against any accidental discharge but far from a pocket pistol in size or weight.
Despite all the safety features I remain reluctant to routinely carry any of these guns with a chambered round in a pocket holster so I often carry a light S&W hammerless J frame instead unless I really need the smaller size of the Kimber. The only pistol I am comfortable carrying with a chambered round is my HK P7 which is very accurate and completely safe against any accidental discharge but far from a pocket pistol in size or weight.
Well made guns, like most mentioned, unless they have the sights on crooked or shoved over to one side, are always going to be more accurate the the shooter. The word accuracy is commonly misused. You may shoot one better than the other, but chances are it's not the gun, it's just the fact that you shoot one better than the other, It's like saying that saying one car drives better than an other, "to you maybe", just as likely someone else will say the opposite. People really think that they can tell by shooting a gun, "without a rest" that it is better than a similar gun. They are wrong unless they are an elite shooter that can actually tell the difference. The gun is always going to be more accurate than we are, unless it's broken somehow.
On carrying a chambered round, if I wasn't carrying a gun with a round in the chamber, I wouldn't carry a gun at all. I would leave it in the car or in the house. You need to be able to draw and fire in 1 second. That's impossible if you have to chamber a round.
It's difficult enough to get close to 2 seconds without having to chamber one. I used to, "in my youth" be able to do it from an owb holster easily. But now, even though I still practice when the wife goes to bed, about 4 times a week, I know it's going to be a contest. When you see a gun, you have about a second of grace time, until the bad guy figures out that you are going for yours, if he knew you had one, he would have gone else ware, "so you have an opportunity if you are disciplined, and don't get shook up", but after a second or two, he is going to figure it out in his brain that he has to dispatch you before you shoot him At that point in the story do you really want to start trying to chamber a round?
How many times have you gone to chamber a round and something went wrong, like you slipped off the slide, or the round got stuck because you didn't pull the slide all the way back, or a hundred other things that could happen, I am just trying to be honest with you, it's a bad idea. Your gun won't go off unless you pull the trigger.
If necessary use a gun with a safety, and practice releasing it on the draw. God forbid you hit the mag release or smack the gun against something on the way out, if you have a round chambered, you know the first one is coming out regardless, at which time you can grab the mag, and at least have a chance.
On carrying a chambered round, if I wasn't carrying a gun with a round in the chamber, I wouldn't carry a gun at all. I would leave it in the car or in the house. You need to be able to draw and fire in 1 second. That's impossible if you have to chamber a round.
It's difficult enough to get close to 2 seconds without having to chamber one. I used to, "in my youth" be able to do it from an owb holster easily. But now, even though I still practice when the wife goes to bed, about 4 times a week, I know it's going to be a contest. When you see a gun, you have about a second of grace time, until the bad guy figures out that you are going for yours, if he knew you had one, he would have gone else ware, "so you have an opportunity if you are disciplined, and don't get shook up", but after a second or two, he is going to figure it out in his brain that he has to dispatch you before you shoot him At that point in the story do you really want to start trying to chamber a round?
How many times have you gone to chamber a round and something went wrong, like you slipped off the slide, or the round got stuck because you didn't pull the slide all the way back, or a hundred other things that could happen, I am just trying to be honest with you, it's a bad idea. Your gun won't go off unless you pull the trigger.
If necessary use a gun with a safety, and practice releasing it on the draw. God forbid you hit the mag release or smack the gun against something on the way out, if you have a round chambered, you know the first one is coming out regardless, at which time you can grab the mag, and at least have a chance.
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The sig p238, or a good 'ol fashioned j frame. I have one of those dreaded clip draws on mine.
Been carrying the Kel-Tec P -32 for years now and love it. A true front pocket carry gun in winter - summer. I know it doesn't have great sights and I don't care because it is a close quarter point and shoot piece. That to me is what pocket carry is all about. Accurate and reliable. The P-3AT is the one you want if your desire is 380. I don't want bulk for pocket carry. When I carry my P-32 no one is the wiser. If the .32 ACP was good enough for John Browning it's good enough for me.
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I just picked up a colt mustang.
Light as a feather and after 150 rounds totally reliable.
yeah, the sights suck
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Light as a feather and after 150 rounds totally reliable.
yeah, the sights suck
AFS
Rugerspyderon
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Actually the new LCP has useable sights. They should make a night sight version. The trigger is more conventional now, though I don't mind the long but light pull on original. I have p938 as well and it is just a different animal, nice but not a real pocket pistol. I mean you can but it is a bit cumbersome unless you wear cargos.
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I think it's for informationally-challenged people who might think that you unload a gun by racking the slide first and then dropping the magazine. File under "idiot-proofing."4season said:
I don't get statements like this. What is it about the design of any of the pocket pistols that would make someone think it is a "5-7 yard piece"?? Have you tried to really shoot these pistols? The only thing limiting their utility at distance past 7 yards, as you put it, is the relatively poor sights! With better sights they can shoot just about any distance you would want just like any other pistol. Is it going to be as easy with a small pistol? No, of course not. But its not that hard either.
The bottom line to me is that no one can argue that better sights make a weapon LESS accurate at shorter ranges than crappy ones. I'll take better sights any day. You are already dealing with a short sight radius and a small grip, why add poor sights to that too? I carry a weapon not only to defend myself but those that I love too. I would not even carry a weapon that I couldn't shoot accurately enough to defend them with if they were being attacked. Can I guarantee I'll be within 7 yards and I won't have to take a shot to defend them from imminent danger? NO! You can't be so ego centric that you only arm yourself with the idea of defending numero uno. I can tell you with no reservations that the LCP and the BG380 absolutely CAN be shot effectively at distance well beyond 7 yards. I owned the LCP and I just didn't think the sights were enough for me unless lighting was pretty much perfect. The BG380 has better sights so I switched to it. When I put a front night sight on it I'll be pretty happy with it for what it is. I normally carry a larger pistol (3913 or M&P) but there are times when the BG380 is pressed into service and I trust it to do its job. If you guys don't trust yours I would be willing to bet you haven't shot it enough. No weapons is accurate without an accurate shooter behind it.
One of the main reasons rifles are more accurate at distance than handguns is sight radious as well as a more stabilized bullet from the longer barrel in a rifle.
The same thing is true in short barreled pistols vs longer barreled duty guns.
I don't believe anyone can shoot a pistol with a 2-1/2" barrel and short sight radius as accurately at distance as they can a pistol with a 4" or 5" inch barrel with longer sight radius and longer rifling regardless of the sights.
The same thing is true in short barreled pistols vs longer barreled duty guns.
I don't believe anyone can shoot a pistol with a 2-1/2" barrel and short sight radius as accurately at distance as they can a pistol with a 4" or 5" inch barrel with longer sight radius and longer rifling regardless of the sights.
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