Does More Than ONE Firearm make you a Possible Threat

[22-rimfire]

The whole 'arsenal' thing just goes right along with playing on people's ignorance by the anti's. The latest headlines about the CT shooter firing 154 rounds in 5 minutes is just such an example. They play that number like it's huge or something, but a bolt action operator can sustain that rate of fire, with aimed shots (about 1 every two seconds). Obviously your average bolt gun doesn't have a 30 round mag, but one or two do. They make it sound like a machine gun, and make it sound scary. Emotional effect. Our only counter is education.

It is all about ignorance when it comes to the arsenal terminology for the most part. There really are people that have an arsenal, but owning 10 rifles, shotguns, and handguns is not an arsenal unless they are perhaps all illegal full automaic firearms and pallets of ammunition already loaded in magazines and belts.

One of these days, North Korea is going carry out their threats. They cry wolf a lot, which is also a strategy. South Korea needs to be prepared for an all out ground assault along with sufficient airborne resources to hit all of N. Korea. A war would be messy and costly, but aren't they all.

 

[JohnM]

I missed something here.
What does the situation on the Korean Peninsula have to do with the media not having any idea what numbers of guns and ammunition mean?

 

[barnbwt]

Since no one needs a gun in the eyes of well-to-do urban bubble-adults, a single firearm makes you a deadly threat. Subsequent purchases only reinforce their negative opinion of you. One guy with a gun could do bad; one guy with two guns is more likely to use one of them to do bad

Did they say he was a bad person because he had a lot of guns and ammo, or because he killed a bunch of little ones?

I've noticed the opinion pages (otherwise known as news stories) seem to have trouble keeping those two concepts separate. Honest to God, these guys think we're all murders. That we've consipired to murder all their children by purchasing (or building ) lumps of metal. We need to understand we are seen as witches with powerful mystical abilities in the eyes of these ignorant people.

Anyone else notice how every single gun related story has the words "20 children and six adults" at least once somewhere in the article, even if it's about ammo shortages or background checks? I also notice how Lanza's gunsafe is mentioned numerous times, as if the fact he was locking up his guns responsibly (even though his ma should have known his unfettered access to them was incredibly unwise, or even illegal given his mental history) was somehow indicative of ill-intent or paranoia.

They also never forget to mention they found his "NRA member card" as if that has anything to do with anything he did, whatsoever. Where's his dry-cleaning card, and while we're at it, his Sam's Club card? I have to wonder if that particular detail is completely fabricated given the steady parade of gross inaccuracies surrounding every facet of this case. Hell, he had his brother's ID card on him when the story broke, and they said he was the killer for hours!

12ga in the glove compartment with 2 mags full of 70? (you sure that wasn't a 223 in the trunk with 2 mags?) Fired 150 rounds from 3 30 round AR mags? (you sure the remainder didn't come from the mythical "second shooter" you idiots first reported as in custody?) Some of these have since been corrected after we call the reporters and police out on their baloney, but these inexcusable errors cast justifiable suspicion on everything they claim to know at this point. Their incompetence in relaying fact is the sole reason all the stupid conspiracies have found any traction whatsoever.

The whole 'arsenal' thing just goes right along with playing on people's ignorance by the anti's

Just be happy they aren't saying "armory" this time; arsenal is close(r) to correct in describing a weapons cache or depot.

That reason and that reason alone is why he (McVeigh) was arrested, and therefore already in the jail cell when the pictures of John Doe #1 went on the screens.

Semi-related; whatever happened to the hairy John Doe #2 that was always shown with the same frequency at the time? I was little then, but I remember some dark-haired sketch dude being a big deal, who then vanished once they had McVeigh. It's eerily reminiscent of the camo-fatigues guy supposedly in a squad car offscreen at Sandy Hook

TCB

 

[22-rimfire]

JohnM: The previous poster said something about N Korea and I made a comment if it matters and yes it is off topic. I didn't dig into the reasons for the comment too deeply.

I think they're just trying to paint a picture of an 'unhealthy interest in firearms'. A normal person can have one gun, but if you have multiple guns, you're clearly obsessed with them, and thus are a massacre waiting to happen. They think guns = violence, so if you own a lot of guns you must be a violent person.
No 'sane' person would 'need' more than one gun and so forth.

This is probably true if you take a liberal perspective on gun ownership in general. Loose cannons....

This goes to the psychological testing or evaluation requirement if such are ever put into law. Crazy people are the only people who might "need" more than one gun. Hence, they are a threat to society and need to be identified.

 

[jamesbeat]

Well the president of North Korea, said he is getting ready to kill all of us, and launch missiles into the U.S..
I am hoping he sees us as a threat, and those Mid eastern countries like Iran who keep threatening to launch missiles into our country. The Koreans showed a target map of the US. including Texas.

OT, but I wouldn't worry too much about that, their missiles are too puny to reach us.
That map was in-country propaganda published in the party newspaper, and apparently they got it wrong anyway, something to do with the trajectory of missiles.
The people we need to worry about are our allies in South Korea.
Anyway, sorry to stray off topic, just don't want people panicking unduly!

 

[USAF_Vet]

Semi-related; whatever happened to the hairy John Doe #2 that was always shown with the same frequency at the time? I was little then, but I remember some dark-haired sketch dude being a big deal, who then vanished once they had McVeigh. It's eerily reminiscent of the camo-fatigues guy supposedly in a squad car offscreen at Sandy Hook

The OK City bombing John Doe #2 was Terry Nichols.

The media is in such a rush to get the story to the public that they are often wrong. The first report I read about Sandy Hook said 'no injuries reported'.

The media is full of elitist urbanites who have no use for a gun, stories are written by them, reported by them, etc. It would be rather similar to me writing a story and reporting on a case of petrochemical manufacturing and waste disposal. I'm not an expert, I know absolutely nothing about it. So you'll have to forgive my ignorance and misused terminology. I don't want to defend the leftist state media machine, or the people who watch it and believe it all as absolute truth, but in this up to the second reporting culture we live in, mistakes are bound to be made. And because these are elitists we are dealing with, they are too proud to admit their mistakes. The Ministry of Truth will see to it that all mistakes have been 'fixed' eventually.

 

[barnbwt]

It would be rather similar to me writing a story and reporting on a case of petrochemical manufacturing and waste disposal. I'm not an expert, I know absolutely nothing about it. So you'll have to forgive my ignorance and misused terminology.

That would make you an enivornmental reporter

I called them "ignorant people" in my post, but I think I like "primitive screw-heads" better . Your sig reminded me of the phrase. Just like the medieval castle-folk in Army of Darkness, all these guys know is that guns are loud, scary, and powerful--and that they'd have no recourse against one (without one themselves, but that hasn't occurred to them).

TCB

OT, but I wouldn't worry too much about that, their missiles are too puny to reach us.

"Don't worry, those stupid North Koreans are years away from a nuclear bomb" Talk about your famous last words

 

[mrvco]

Based on my extensive, long-term testing... six handguns are no more capable of breaking out of a safe and wreaking havoc on the countryside than a single handgun.

Even when placed on a table, free from the imprisonment of a safe, it takes a significant amount of purposeful manipulation by a human to get them to do anything besides just lay there.

Maybe it is just how I raised them, but my handguns are incredibly obedient.

 

[barnbwt]

"If they exhibit aggressive behavior; that's usually the owner's fault"

TCB

 

[gym]

I think most gun owners own more than 1 gun. If not then they are thinking about getting another one. It's not like many folks buy a gun, then sell it, unless they switch to a different model and can only afford or are allowed to own 1 gun for carry. "like in NYC"
I don't know anyone who only owns 1 gun. I sat for a few minutes and thought it over, and can't come up with 1 person who owns only one. I know folks who own no guns, but not just 1.
Most guys I know own more than I do, "I have cut back after 60", but there are plenty of guys in there 70's who still collect, and have dozens.
It's the quiet ones who have the most. It takes a while for them to open up about them.

 

[WALKERs210]

Fired 150 rounds from 3 30 round AR mags?

This is something I missed somehow, one thing that I remember from some of the earlier reporting was the man had used two hand guns and the Bushmaster was in the truck of his car. So if that was the case then should Feinssstinne not be looking to ban a hand gun that was able to drop a magazine or maybe a clip (sarcasm Intended ) then replace it in less than 3-5 seconds. Where would one looking for the actual truth look, it seems that none in the news media have the capabilities or desire to report exactly what happened in regards to anything.

 

[barnbwt]

less than 3-5 seconds.

Man, I can't stand the rate/power of fire thing. How little is enough? One dead kid a second, every hour, year? Limiting power to vest-stoppable rounds, internal organ damage, or just bruising? So many of the arguments from that side imply the presence of a grey-area or sliding scale that "demands complicated solutions", when in fact the answers are clear; the tools have nothing to do with the intentions of the attacker, and can therefore not be a solution in stopping them.

There is no acceptable minimum for bullet capacity used for murder, nor rate of fire, nor power. Both we and they know this, so to compromise with them on this justifies the anti's position and cements their gains. Shame on NY Republicans for making the deal with the devil that they did, instead of either stopping them or forcing them to pass completely unhinged laws that would have published all gunowner's addresses. As bad as that would have been, it would have resulted in the dismantling of that database under federal court order within the year under an extremely vehement Equal Protection ruling.

TCB

 

[evan price]

ONE makes you a threat to them.

 

[Ignition Override]

To sort of paraphrase even price:
anything they can't control is a threat.

In Michael Moore's way of thinking, "What would Fidel Castro do in our situation?"

 

[Outlaw Man]

J M Davis had some 20,000 firearms. He must have been worse than Hitler!

 

[Big_John1961]

According to my ex-wife it does.

 

[Domina]

The primary goal for most national media is to instill fear of guns and gun owners wherever possible. That is why they continue to ignore facts about firearms and refer to any collection of things related to firearms, including users manuals, as "arsenals". The only way to change this is to effectively counter educate the people that there is nothing more unreasonable about collections of arms and ammunition than Jay Leno's collection of cars if kept and used responsibly

 

[mgkdrgn]

the fact that you exist makes you a possible threat ... even if you are already dead (and transmitting some dissease)

 

[JustinJ]

They described that in search of his home more firearms and large amounts of ammunition. If the Media and others feel that more than 20 round of ammo and more than one or two firearms means your a Bad Person

Reporting a fact that is germane to a news story means that owing multiple guns makes us bad people? Wow, people love to play the victim.

 

[Queen_of_Thunder]

Wonder what the will think if they knew I just bought 1,000 rounds of 9mm. Yep. Got my one box of ammo this morning from Academy. Being first in line means first choice and today was my lucky day. They also had bulk 45acp. Sure a couple of boxes but better than nothing.

 

[22-rimfire]

ObamaCare changes everything.... with the stroke of a pen things that were just things have become unhealthy and subject to the CDC and health insurance because it supposively increases the risk.

And yet, states like CO have passed legislation to control people who own guns but have given the okay for marijuana use in small quantities. Using this comparison, it is okay to have a 10-round magazine because that is for recreational use. It seems that from a government perspective, it is okay to kill people with automobiles and trucks, but not a firearm.

 

[OldTex]

"The media refuses to believe that guns can be a hobby. So anyone stockpiling ammo, must be up to no good. They don't know the gun culture, basically."

This is true. The uninformed media is a threat usually because they also subscribe to the anti-gun agenda. They either don't know what they're talking about, or they do know and count on the sheeple audience to believe their lies.

The disappearance of honest, unbiased journalism in this country is maybe the biggest threat to all of our freedoms.

Just as big a threat to our freedoms IMO are the millions of city folks who have never been around guns and don't understand the culture because they don't get any info about guns except from the biased media. They form their opinions based on what they hear and vote accordingly. It's the same threat we face in all political issues - Low Information voters. It seems they also lack the ability to know when they are being manipulated, or at least to know when they ought to look around for some more info.

I can't imagine how I would be perceived in the press if they piled all my guns, ammo, and assorted reloading equipment, etc on those big tables they always use to show what a terrorist they just arrested. In that sense, we have to put some blame on the various law enforcement agencies who always pull this stunt for the press to make themselves look good (even if they know the person was no real threat). That's being just as dishonest as a lying newsman or politician.

 

[holdencm9]

They also don't understand how expensive of a hobby it can be. I think for the thwarted shooter at the college in Florida, I saw a news report that said (something along the lines of)

"he had an arsenal with over $700 worth of firearms and hundreds of rounds of ammunition."

Ha!

 

[Torian]

Looks at sig... Well, I am screwed.

Pretty much!

 

[Skylerbone]

Maybe someone could define "Gun Culture" for all of us. I own a car, Mark Martin owns a car (or 3). So far as I know, we don't share a secret handshake or much else so far as I know and a survey of those who know me wouldn't likely find me labeled as part of the "Car Culture". Owning common items does not mean all owners are cast alike. Different attitudes, abilities, capabilities and uses. Should be simple for a media that can separate criminal drug users into medicinal, casual, recreational, edible, addict and all other sub-classification with the exception of illegal...