Doesn't Sweden have strict gun laws? - Sweden Top in Europe for Deadly Gun Violence

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Yes we do, crimes involving legal guns are virtually non-existing.

Smuggled guns however are plentiful, a lot came up from the former Jugoslavian states after the war, now I'm not sure where they origin.

The shootings take place within the criminal gangs, one of which has basically gone through a civil war of their own.

There's been some big arrests of the leaders of these networks through the Encrochat breach and this has also ignited the factions left rudderless.

Like shooting the leader sow, all the gilts go into heat and the pack explodes.

Basically males 20-29 yo in the suburbs of the major cities doing their own version of the hunger games for turf and "respect"
 
Yes we do, crimes involving legal guns are virtually non-existing.

Smuggled guns however are plentiful, a lot came up from the former Jugoslavian states after the war, now I'm not sure where they origin.

The shootings take place within the criminal gangs, one of which has basically gone through a civil war of their own.

There's been some big arrests of the leaders of these networks through the Encrochat breach and this has also ignited the factions left rudderless.

Like shooting the leader sow, all the gilts go into heat and the pack explodes.

Basically males 20-29 yo in the suburbs of the major cities doing their own version of the hunger games for turf and "respect"
Sounds much like the US inner cities.
 
I thought Sweden had strict gun laws. I wonder if a lot of these are attributed to migrant gang violence?

Do you not read source material of what you post?

Eight in ten of the fatal shootings in Sweden are linked to criminal gang activity, primarily involving drug trafficking and organised crime.

Between zero and four men of this age bracket are fatally shot, on average, per million people in other European countries. In Sweden, the figure is 18.

An analysis of the data also revealed that most young men lived in so-called ‘vulnerable areas’, with almost all coming from a migration background.

Despite the Wuhan coronavirus pandemic, Sweden saw a record 47 fatal shootings last year, fulfilling predictions from November 2020 that the number would beat the previous year’s record.

18/1,000,000 for the young male age bracket is trivial compared to our average of 2,149 for a population of 18,964,001 in the age bracket. So that's 2,149/19,000,000 or 113.10/1,000,000 for our age group. IOW, our murder rate in that age bracket is 6X that of Sweden.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....ges/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-2.xls
 
Yes we do, crimes involving legal guns are virtually non-existing.

Smuggled guns however are plentiful, a lot came up from the former Jugoslavian states after the war, now I'm not sure where they origin.

The shootings take place within the criminal gangs, one of which has basically gone through a civil war of their own.

There's been some big arrests of the leaders of these networks through the Encrochat breach and this has also ignited the factions left rudderless.

Like shooting the leader sow, all the gilts go into heat and the pack explodes.

Basically males 20-29 yo in the suburbs of the major cities doing their own version of the hunger games for turf and "respect"
Sounds exactly like the anti gun politician ran big cities in the US that if the laws actually worked should be devoid of all guns aside from police.
 
Do you not read source material of what you post?



18/1,000,000 for the young male age bracket is trivial compared to our average of 2,149 for a population of 18,964,001 in the age bracket. So that's 2,149/19,000,000 or 113.10/1,000,000 for our age group. IOW, our murder rate in that age bracket is 6X that of Sweden.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u....ges/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-2.xls


This is what I posted:

I thought Sweden had strict gun laws. I wonder if a lot of these are attributed to migrant gang violence?


Adding "migrant" separates normal gang activity vs. migrant gang activity.

And there is a difference. These countries have seen a mass of migration that have caused many new law enforcement issues that weren't traditionally a problem.

Migrant gangs have caused many new problems for these countries that wasn't a nearly a problem until relatively recently which is cause for their sex trafficking issues and also perhaps this migrant gang violence with guns and shootings.



So yes, I do read my source material.


Your question should be: Do you read the original posts?
 
This is what I posted:




Adding "migrant" separates normal gang activity vs. migrant gang activity.

And there is a difference.

Migrant gangs have caused many new problems for these countries that wasn't a nearly a problem until relatively recently which is cause for their sex trafficking issues and also perhaps this gang violence.



So yes, I do read my source material.


Your question should be: Do you read the original posts?

Apparently better than you do.

Eight in ten of the fatal shootings in Sweden are linked to criminal gang activity, primarily involving drug trafficking and organised crime.
An analysis of the data also revealed that most young men lived in so-called ‘vulnerable areas’, with almost all coming from a migration background.

80% are linked to criminal gangs and almost all are migrants or migrant background. So almost all of the 80% are migrant background involved in criminal gang activity. Simple.
 
I'm guessing this was compiled on a *per-capita* scaling in which case, statistical over-representation might have something to do with it as well. Sweden being something like the 4th lowest population density in Europe makes each individual gun death exaggerated by comparison.
Also see Sweden is somewhere down around 16th in overall population - likely not including the immigration influx accurately.

Again, assuming that it is per-capita. I don't see it noted in the link.

After that, of course the progressive (don't get panties in a bunch - that's an adjective, NOT political) attitudes towards outside-sourced criminal influencers would help skew things radically as well.

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That is not quite what that means. The statement is that 80% of all fatal shootings are linked to criminal gang activity.

"An analysis of the data also revealed that most young men lived in so-called 'vulnerable areas'" does not mean that these young men were involved in the shootings, but we may assume that this is simply a grammatical error.

This leads to the idea that x<80% of the young men involved in the shootings lived in these areas with y<x being immigrants of an arbitrary incoming date/circumstance.

Personally I wouldn't give y<x<80% a lot of credit. Words like 'most' or 'almost all' are arbitrary and have no business being included in credible statistics.

EDIT: This is in reference to hso's post.
 
"Yes we do, crimes involving legal guns are virtually non-existing.
Smuggled guns however are plentiful, ...


Every six or seven years the US Department of Justice conducts surveys of a representative nationwide sample of state and federal prisoners who carried or used a gun in the last offense for which they are serving time. The first in the 1980s lead to the researchers, James Wright and Perter Rossi, releasing a book "Armed and Considered Dangerous" in which they pointed out most US criminals acquire weapons from hard to regulate sources (theft, black market, smuggling).

The last iteration I saw gave the percentage of criminals claiming to have acquired their guns through retail sources as less than 10%.and that usually by having a clean friend or relative straw purchase the gun.

During the 1960s my hometown had local option prohibition of alcohol (1953-1968). Hoodlums in my neighborhood got pistols through bootleggers. The US federal government gave us the 1968 Gun Control Act, among other things outlawing mail order sales of guns. I cannot conceive of a criminal sending a mail order for a gun, putting their handwriting on a check or money order, with a record with the mail order house of the address the gun was shipped to. (Read the Warren Report on the trace of Lee Harvey Oswald's mailorder guns.).

The political answer to gun crime is always to go after legal guns.
 
"Yes we do, crimes involving legal guns are virtually non-existing.
Smuggled guns however are plentiful, ...


Every six or seven years the US Department of Justice conducts surveys of a representative nationwide sample of state and federal prisoners who carried or used a gun in the last offense for which they are serving time. The first in the 1980s lead to the researchers, James Wright and Perter Rossi, releasing a book "Armed and Considered Dangerous" in which they pointed out most US criminals acquire weapons from hard to regulate sources (theft, black market, smuggling).

The last iteration I saw gave the percentage of criminals claiming to have acquired their guns through retail sources as less than 10%.and that usually by having a clean friend or relative straw purchase the gun.

During the 1960s my hometown had local option prohibition of alcohol (1953-1968). Hoodlums in my neighborhood got pistols through bootleggers. The US federal government gave us the 1968 Gun Control Act, among other things outlawing mail order sales of guns. I cannot conceive of a criminal sending a mail order for a gun, putting their handwriting on a check or money order, with a record with the mail order house of the address the gun was shipped to. (Read the Warren Report on the trace of Lee Harvey Oswald's mailorder guns.).

The political answer to gun crime is always to go after legal guns.
No it didn't take 5 years to pass the 1968 gun control act because of what that commie enthusiast did.
Look to 1967. Hint: Black panthers marching armed in Washington DC.
 
The push resulting in the 1968 GCA started in 1924 when the progressives who got prohibition of alcohol done at the federal level turned their attention to banning handguns. This included the push toward state level uniform handgun acts, the federal level 1934 National Firearms Act and 1938 Federal Firearms Act, and crusades ramped up in the late 1950s into the 1960s to ban handguns and mail order gun sales, and require federal registration of all firearms. 1968 GCA was the result of a long campaign to move America toward the model of a Hobbesian absolute state imposed by a Webberian state monopoly on arms by political forces who today deride the Declaration of Independence and the origins of America.
 
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True, a lot of the people involved are migrants but not all by far. It's not about where you come from, it's all about where you live.

If you live in Tensta, Vårby or Rosengård for for example, you're stuck in the bottom mud and your chances of ever getting out are almost nil. The migrants who end up in the smaller cities have enormously improved chances of integrating.

Unfortunately they seek kin and countrymen to live with and gets trapped.

The fact is that if we didn't have the influx of migration Sweden would have a declining population and our economy would be in recession.

The EU says that there's no one living in big parts of Sweden since they multiply people per km2 with the municipal area and comes up with zero as there are less then 0.5 ppl per km2. There's plenty of room for a larger population as long as we can address the growth of big city ghettos.
 
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True, a lot of the people involved are migrants but not all by far. It's not about where you come from, it's all about where you live.

If you live in Tensta, Vårby or Rosengård for for example, you're stuck in the bottom mud and your chances of ever getting out are almost nil. The migrants who end up in the smaller cities have enormously improved chances of integrating.

Unfortunately they seek kin and countrymen to live with and gets trapped.

The fact is that if we didn't have the influx of migration Sweden would have a declining population and our economy would be in recession.

The EU says that there's no one living in big parts of Sweden since they multiply people per km2 with the municipal area and comes up with zero as there are less then 0.5 ppl per km2. There's plenty of room for a larger population as long as we can address the growth of big city ghettos.


You may be surprised, but the USA has the precise same problem. For as large as our nation is over 90% is uninhabited and owned by the government. This has made... mega cities, where most of the people live in poverty and crime. (Which the wealthy/middle class, who live on the, basically, red lined half of the city think is JUST DANDY. They never go to the rest of the city out of fear... and yet they still think those of us who choose small towns are the stupid/poor ones. Despite the fact that, on average, living outside of towns and cities costs far more due to travel, wear and tear on vehicles, having to pay for county services instead of city (or like us private trash pickup, our own well, etc))
 
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Gun laws are for (to punish, restrict) the law abiding.
Some folks need restrictions. Problem is finding those individuals , much easier to control guns than it is stupid people or the folks that are not stupid, but have mental issues .
 
You may be surprised, but the USA has the precise same problem. For as large as our nation is over 90% is uninhabited and owned by the government. This has made... mega cities, where most of the people live in poverty and crime. (Which the wealthy/middle class, who live on the, basically, red lined half of the city think is JUST DANDY. They never go to the rest of the city out of fear... and yet they still think those of us who choose small towns are the stupid/poor ones. Despite the fact that, on average, living outside of towns and cities costs far more due to travel, wear and tear on vehicles, having to pay for county services instead of city (or like us private trash pickup, our own well, etc))
A few things here. First, unless you are including the Alaskan wilderness nowhere near 90% of the country is uninhabited or restricted from civilian use. True, a majority of the landmass has a low population density, but there is very little completely unsettled space in the country. Bloomberg has a nice series of graphics on the topic taken from DoA data. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-us-land-use/
I'm also not entirely sure where you get this idea that the middle/upper class of the US lives in the outskirts or small sections of 'mega cities' with the inner city being homogeneous hives of scum and villainy. The largest city by population in the US is NYC. This is the 11th largest city in the world. LA the US' next largest city, being 23rd on the list. Both of these cities do have crime issues, yes, but they are also known worldwide as being centers of art, tourism, and culture. The downtown areas of these cities are the most expensive to live in, not the outskirts, and vast numbers of workers commute into these cities to work via public transportation. Crime is generally distributed across the cityscape, however it tends to concentrate in lower-income areas and those with historical links to organized crime members.

I'm not really sure where you get the idea that those who are well-off do not care about those who are not or are scared to enter the city proper. Philanthropy has historically been the way in which large public works projects have been funded in large cities. Just look at NYC and try to find a project that did not in some way get funding from wealthy individuals. Philanthropy has also funded school improvements and crime prevention programs. Gentrification has taken place in many cities in the past 30 years completely changing their state. Here in CT New Haven, Bridgeport, Stratford, and Hartford are all good examples. Are there still problems? Of course there are, but there always will be. I personally do not feel unsafe in these cities either downtown or out in the side-streets.

For another better example, take Waterbury. I used to live in Wolcott, which was basically the suburb of Waterbury. Waterbury is a poor town. It's government is poor, the schools are poor, and poverty is rampant. Massive sections of the population are on welfare. Crime, particularly drug related crime, is rampant. Even so, I didn't feel unsafe visiting my church in the 'bad part' of town. I didn't feel unsafe as a delivery guy in that same 'bad part' of town. I didn't feel unsafe taking my little sister to a show at the theater or to the mall. As long as you don't cause trouble with anyone, the idea that "you'll be shot if you even look down XXX Street" is more of a Hollywood trope than actual truth. Yes I know there are areas where this is true, but these are the exception in terms of population and land area rather than the rule.

Your point regarding living in the country is also not completely true. Generally taxes, rent/land, and cost of living are all far higher in urban areas than in rural areas. True, you may not need to own a car, but public transport isn't generally free either. If you do end up owning a car you may have to spend thousands per month just for a parking spot somewhere in the city.
Paying for services is also not limited to rural areas. You have to pay for trash services privately if your town does not offer it as a public service, but if it is a public service then it get rolled into taxes. You mention a well. You do not pay on a continuing basis for a well or septic system, but you do pay every month for water/sewer if you have town connections. The same is true for natural gas. Internet/cable prices are often high in cities due to legacy licensing expenses. Electricity is often sold at a high rate due to the cost of the large amount of legacy infrastructure and high localized demand.
 
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