Domestic Violence Victim has Firearms Confiscated

[David4516]

Have you seen this?

http://cliffviewpilot.com/lawyer-ca...ddle-brook-gun-collector-hyperbolic-hysteria/

I could be reading this wrong but it sounds like this guy's wife stabbed him. He calls the police and they come to arrest the wife. Then they use the jaws of life to pry open his gunsafe and confiscate all his guns. Must be a reloader it says he had a bunch of gunpowder. Apparently they called the bomb squad and evacuated the whole neighborhood. The guy is now in jail. Didn't realize it was a crime to have a bunch of guns and reloading stuff... wonder if there is more to this that isn't being reported?

Honestly stuff like this makes me very concerned about the future of the country...

 

[oneounceload]

It's NJ - you expect anything less?

Right under that was an article regarding NJ gun buy backs - I'll just post the link so as not to hijack this:
http://cliffviewpilot.com/statewide-gun-buyback-law-passes-nj-assembly/


Amazing how a state that was once revered for hunting has become so Nazi-like in their zeal to disarm folks. Maybe they should be more worried about the criminals, not the - on this case - the victims.

 

[David4516]

Found more info on this story here:

http://www.northjersey.com/news/pol...-gun-enthusiast-s-saddle-brook-home-1.1064936

Another thing that bothers me about this situation is this statement:

Authorities spent several hours at the Lintners’ home, blocking traffic through the residential street into the evening, while the stock of armaments was secured. The chief said investigators brought out the firearms in barrels overnight and “will evaluate them and inspect them at a later time.”

Sounds like they didn't catalog anything as they took it? Aren't they required to do that? It wouldn't surprise me if this guy has some guns come up "missing", and by "missing" I mean they end up in the sheriff's personal collection...

 

[Red Wind]

It's NJ - you expect anything less?

Bergen is my home County. I expect nothing less than hysterics and hoplophobia. Saddle Brook is one of Americas wealthiest towns. But no matter. Mr Lintner will have the battle of his life on his hands.

In his favor, Mr, Nappen is considered Americas #1 Attorney for defending clients accused of firearms violations. He certainly is positioned in the correct venue.

All of Lintner’s weapons are more than 60 years old, of World War II vintage and inoperable, Nappen said, as he client stood next to him supported by a walker.

 

[krupparms]

This has become a common occurrence! Our justice system is already disarming innocent citizens! This is clearly a move to disarm us. As long as we let them, we will lose our guns! This is an important issue for gun rights & we should speak out against it, every time it rears it head!

 

[tipoc]

This incident should be publicized and exposed and the man's rights defended.

From the article they had no right to search the man's house and no warrant to confiscate the contents of his safe.

At most he may have been in violation of the law on the amount of powder he could have in his home at one time. But they only knew that after the search began.

It's also a reminder of the unintended consequences of the police showing up at your house and then abusing their authority by over-reach. It's not just the 2nd Amendment violated here.

tipoc

 

[Robert]

It's not just the 2nd Amendment violated here.

While that may be true, that is the only thing the THR is concerned with. Let's stay focused on the 2nd and the firearms.

 

[oneounceload]

All of Lintner’s weapons are more than 60 years old, of World War II vintage and inoperable,

Then, to play devil's advocate for a minute, why all of the gun powder?

 

[wojownik]

The article may have omitted all sorts of details, such as whether somehow the LE had a DV Warrant for Search and Seizure of Weapons, whether either party may have given verbal consent to a search, whether the LE had other PC.

Absent consent, and absent a Domestic Violence Warrant for the Search and Seizure of Weapons, both required under NJ law, we'll have to see what happens. It does not appear that he was charged on a firearms office. We'll just see how this plays out in the system, but again, this is NJ.

BUT, if LE saw 300 lbs of gunpowder in the open (in the basement), would that have triggered other alarm bells, and create PC to tear open the safes separate of the specific DV warrant requirement, or a warrant generally? The DV victim is said to have had gunpowder 10x the legal limit (300 lbs, while the limit was 30 lbs - not including the ammo).

The local PD Chief was right when he said this was a "unique situation."

 

[Midwest]

Found more info on this story here:

http://www.northjersey.com/news/pol...-gun-enthusiast-s-saddle-brook-home-1.1064936

Another thing that bothers me about this situation is this statement:



Sounds like they didn't catalog anything as they took it? Aren't they required to do that? It wouldn't surprise me if this guy has some guns come up "missing", and by "missing" I mean they end up in the sheriff's personal collection...

This is an old story, it has been discussed here on THR. I remember it, because I posted it here on THR in August of last year.


"
Police detail extent of arsenal at apparent gun enthusiast's Saddle Brook home
August 9, 2014, 2:19 PM Last updated: Sunday, August 10, 2014, 2:57 PM"


NJ: Cops Confiscate Stabbing Victim Firearms

August 9, 2014, 10:28 AM

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=758713
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[Red Wind]

2 months later in October,2014, the Grand Jury indicted Mr. Kintner.

A Saddle Brook man found with a stockpile of guns, gunpowder and ammunition after police said his wife stabbed him was indicted by a grand jury in Hackensack today on a variety of charges.

The 10-count indictment charges 65-year-old Robert Lintner with “creating risk of widespread injury or damage by recklesslessly handling or storing” 300 pounds of gunpowder in his 1,400-square-foot home.

The amount of powder was 10 times the legal limit that can be stored residentially, as well as a public safety hazard “not only for the home itself but for adjacent homes,” Saddle Brook Police Chief Robert Kugler told CLIFFVIEW PILOT at the time.

 

[Deaf Smith]

brought out the firearms in barrels

And I bet they are all scratched up, banged up, and abused.

Just like most of NJ.

Deaf

 

[Speedo66]

And I bet they are all scratched up, banged up, and abused.

Just like most of NJ.

Deaf

Enough with the ragging on other states.

 

[Deaf Smith]

Enough with the ragging on other states.

Well I was once in NJ. Got drug across the bridge in Philadelphia by the traffic. Had my legal ccw S&W .38 with hollow points (legal in Pennsylvania and Texas that is.) If stopped those NJ cops would have thrown me in the slammer with zero misgivings. Almost like Mexican Police up there.

So, no I don't think much of New Jersey.

Deaf

 

[vito]

The difference in state laws and practices is so enormous that it really seems like you are traveling to a different country when you go to certain states. I have commented before how I travel from IL to NY a few times a year to see my elderly mother. I can legally carry a concealed firearm in IL, and while going through IN, OH and PA. But as soon as I cross the border into NJ, and then on into NY, just having a handgun in my car (even if I unload it and lock it in a case and put the case in my trunk) I am committing a felony. I worry that if stopped for a traffic violation, the NJ or NY LEO would be able to discover that I have an IL CCW license. If that info is used as justification to search my car, then I am in deep s___ in either NJ or NY. So I generally leave my gun home, and make the entire trip unarmed. I truly feel, each and every trip, that I am leaving the USA and entering a hostile, foreign country. Sadly, my Mom is now 100, so it is likely that I will not be making many more trips.

The fascist like attitudes by the authorities in NY, NJ, CT, MA, RI, MD and a few other places make me question the sanity of any 2nd Amendment supporter who still lives in those states. IL may be a corrupt cesspool, and likely to be the first state to seek bankruptcy protection from its astronomical obligations (mainly pension and benefit costs for government workers) but compared to those north eastern states that look at any gun owner as a despised criminal it is truly a haven of freedom and liberty.

 

[Robert]

This is going nowhere useful.