T. Bracker
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What is the actual frequency of home invasions nationally? Just wondered?
Don't Carry at Home?
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Kamicosmos
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At home I almost always have a gun on me now that I have my CCW.
There is a gun in the nightstand, and usually a couple other loaded guns somewhere around the house, and one in the vehicle.
Only time I don't have a gun is at work, but then I have a knife at least, hopefully soon some pepper spray.
There is a gun in the nightstand, and usually a couple other loaded guns somewhere around the house, and one in the vehicle.
Only time I don't have a gun is at work, but then I have a knife at least, hopefully soon some pepper spray.
FireBreather01
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Based on per capita crime stats the town I live in is amongst the safest in the entire country, my neighborhood is somewhat isolated and would probably be considered solidly mid to upper middle class. Violent crime is an after thought. You would think, based on that description, that anyone in this area would therefore be 'paranoid' to be worried about a home invasion. Guess what happened last summer? Yep - a couple in the neighborhood adjacent to ours, within 1/4 mile of my house, were sitting in their home in the middle of the week one afternoon and two druggers burst in through the front door, held them at gunpoint, ransacked the house, and took off with jewelry, cash, - the usual.
If it can happen here.................
If it can happen here.................
rhubarb
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T. Bracker asked:
As far as I can tell, there ain't really info for the category "home invasion" or "hot burglary."
Here is a link to DOJ info on what victims were doing when crimes were committed against them in 2002:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus/current/cv0264.pdf
You can see that some 24% of 458,460 reported victims of robbery were sleeping or doing some other activity at home at the time they were robbed. Then you see that about 26% of 3,055,720 burglaries occurred while the victim was home. Home invasions where the bad guys busted down the door and came in with weapons? I dunno.
To bolster my admonition that you should carry at home, here is another link from DOJ:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus/current/cv02107.pdf
On this page you will find that the police respond to reports of violent crime within five minutes some 30% of the time. That's if they respond. Five percent of the time the response time is listed as "Within 1 day."
What's worse , I'm sure that in many of these cases, the fuzz were called only after it was all over. If someone invades your home, are they gonna let you dial 911 and then say after summoning police, "You better get out of here! The cops might be here within five minutes! More likely it will be six minutes to an hour, but you never know." Will the phone be the first thing you reach for?
Not to say that you shouldn't call the po po at some time, but figure out for yourself when it is safe. I don't think the cops should get there and find skeletal remains and an irate homeowner saying, "That SOB tried to get at my little darling. I taught him good."
Here's the source of my lies, danged lies and statistics:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.htm
As far as I can tell, there ain't really info for the category "home invasion" or "hot burglary."
Here is a link to DOJ info on what victims were doing when crimes were committed against them in 2002:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus/current/cv0264.pdf
You can see that some 24% of 458,460 reported victims of robbery were sleeping or doing some other activity at home at the time they were robbed. Then you see that about 26% of 3,055,720 burglaries occurred while the victim was home. Home invasions where the bad guys busted down the door and came in with weapons? I dunno.
To bolster my admonition that you should carry at home, here is another link from DOJ:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus/current/cv02107.pdf
On this page you will find that the police respond to reports of violent crime within five minutes some 30% of the time. That's if they respond. Five percent of the time the response time is listed as "Within 1 day."
What's worse , I'm sure that in many of these cases, the fuzz were called only after it was all over. If someone invades your home, are they gonna let you dial 911 and then say after summoning police, "You better get out of here! The cops might be here within five minutes! More likely it will be six minutes to an hour, but you never know." Will the phone be the first thing you reach for? Not to say that you shouldn't call the po po at some time, but figure out for yourself when it is safe. I don't think the cops should get there and find skeletal remains and an irate homeowner saying, "That SOB tried to get at my little darling. I taught him good."
Here's the source of my lies, danged lies and statistics:
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/welcome.htm
P95Carry
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I'll just add some of my oft repeated material!!!
You can't make appointments for emergencies''
''Expect the unexpected.''
''Don't assume''
If folks are dedicated enough to carry then CARRY - all the time. It matters not how ''safe'' you feel in and around your house - I feel safe but - how in heck do I know, 100% - that something may not occur, when I least expect it? Do I leave my spare tire out of truck tomorrow - cos I feel ''lucky''??
There is another and IMO more important element to this too - your carry piece should ALWAYS be there - however much you ''think'' you could not possibly need it. When and if the dreaded time should come, then for heaven's sake you'd better hope the piece is there and not just left off just the once - a vacant space where it would otherwise have been!
Do folks who use wrist watches, put the timepiece on because they think - ''ahhh - today I just may want to tell the time''!! No - usually they wear it and it is - simply - there! Ready and available where expected.
A carry piece should be the same - never any fumbles or groping to see IF it is there - it MUST be there, otherwise why bother at all. I repeat - if something should go down - you will have minimal warning - probably no chance to have that few seconds while you ''go grab a gun''.
If you have loved ones as well as self then this is even more important... not to mention that from a security POV - the gun is at is most controlled and safe, on your person.
You can't make appointments for emergencies''
''Expect the unexpected.''
''Don't assume''
If folks are dedicated enough to carry then CARRY - all the time. It matters not how ''safe'' you feel in and around your house - I feel safe but - how in heck do I know, 100% - that something may not occur, when I least expect it? Do I leave my spare tire out of truck tomorrow - cos I feel ''lucky''??
There is another and IMO more important element to this too - your carry piece should ALWAYS be there - however much you ''think'' you could not possibly need it. When and if the dreaded time should come, then for heaven's sake you'd better hope the piece is there and not just left off just the once - a vacant space where it would otherwise have been!
Do folks who use wrist watches, put the timepiece on because they think - ''ahhh - today I just may want to tell the time''!! No - usually they wear it and it is - simply - there! Ready and available where expected.
A carry piece should be the same - never any fumbles or groping to see IF it is there - it MUST be there, otherwise why bother at all. I repeat - if something should go down - you will have minimal warning - probably no chance to have that few seconds while you ''go grab a gun''.
If you have loved ones as well as self then this is even more important... not to mention that from a security POV - the gun is at is most controlled and safe, on your person.
TonyB
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Paranoid=being over prepared for something that will NEVER happen
Prepared=Being ready for something that MAY happen
I hope to God I'm paranoid.....
Prepared=Being ready for something that MAY happen
I hope to God I'm paranoid.....
NHBB
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I always have something within arms reach at home, and the semi 12g under the bed ready to go. I live alone with my fiancee so no kids to worry about... frankly it helps me sleep better at night knowing I have a few aces up my sleeve.
Carry at Home? Absolutely!!!
Andrews Custom Monarch Shoulder Rig with triple magazine pouch is standard fare while I'm home. It is very comfortable and has become as natural to me as wearing my skivvies.
If I don't have it on, Glock 26 with 20 SXT 147 grain cartridges loaded in it no more than an arms length away at ALL times. Goes with me from room to room without exception.
Same goes on the lowered toilet seat with a towel over it while I'm showering.
Taking a dump? same as above on the edge of the bathtub.
Sleeping? Same as above in a fobus paddle right next to my right hip within hands reach. (Fobus protects from AD'ng it in my sleep.) Also another of the same in the drawer of my night stand as a back-up.
My wife has the nice habit of imitating me in all of the above procedures.
Having said all of that, if a bad guy ever bum rushes my home and is able to give me or the wife a dirt nap, then more power to him or them!
I REFUSE to be tied up and executed in my own home, EVER, no matter how remote the possibility. Some things just shouldn't be allowed to happen, ever.
Andrews Custom Monarch Shoulder Rig with triple magazine pouch is standard fare while I'm home. It is very comfortable and has become as natural to me as wearing my skivvies.
If I don't have it on, Glock 26 with 20 SXT 147 grain cartridges loaded in it no more than an arms length away at ALL times. Goes with me from room to room without exception.
Same goes on the lowered toilet seat with a towel over it while I'm showering.
Taking a dump? same as above on the edge of the bathtub.
Sleeping? Same as above in a fobus paddle right next to my right hip within hands reach. (Fobus protects from AD'ng it in my sleep.) Also another of the same in the drawer of my night stand as a back-up.
My wife has the nice habit of imitating me in all of the above procedures.
Having said all of that, if a bad guy ever bum rushes my home and is able to give me or the wife a dirt nap, then more power to him or them!
I REFUSE to be tied up and executed in my own home, EVER, no matter how remote the possibility. Some things just shouldn't be allowed to happen, ever.
In this country, where a good percentage of citizens are armed, and there are things to steal all over the place without going into a house to get them, I view a criminal who enters an inhabited home with a very jaundiced eye.
There are a lot of less risky ways to steal stuff--just drive down a typical residential street and count the number of open garage doors or the stuff strewn in the lawns.
Someone who breaks into a house with the occupants at home is definitely looking for more than quick money. At the very least you have to make that assumption as an occupant.
mountainclmbr
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To the person who said "if you feel in danger of home invasion, then move" I have to say "if you feel you must wear a seat belt, don't drive that day". I have had two auto accidents in 25 years and had my seat belt on both times. During the same period of time I had one home invasion and was armed (the BG lost his bravery and ran when looking at my .44!" Seat Belts and a good gun at all times will protect your life.
nico
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yeah, the jerks who stole the top of the stone fountain from my front yard this week can attest to that.
LiquidTension
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I started carrying about 3.5yrs ago (give me a break you old geezers, that was as soon as I could get the permit legally). Since I became accustomed to carrying all the time it wasn't a burden to keep carrying at home. Once I've gotten settled in, I put my carry gun in it's sleeping position next to the bed. Which is within arms reach of the computer, where I read THR and watch TV.
I feel like a paranoid freak sometimes because I'll carry when going to some parts of the house but not others. It's become second nature to evaluate where I travel in my house that allows me to be within arms reach of a weapon and what places put a possible entry point between me and a weapon - the latter is where I carry. It's also become second nature to put on a seatbelt when I drive
I feel like a paranoid freak sometimes because I'll carry when going to some parts of the house but not others. It's become second nature to evaluate where I travel in my house that allows me to be within arms reach of a weapon and what places put a possible entry point between me and a weapon - the latter is where I carry. It's also become second nature to put on a seatbelt when I drive
Texian Pistolero
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Anyone who breaks into a home knowing there are people there is obviously not operating on recommended octane rating. So, it's NOT just about robbery, it's about what some psycho is willing to do with you.
Obviously, a territorial dog can give you valuable lead time.
I tried the old gun in every room approach, but got tired of securing them every day before I left home.
I used to think that shoulder holsters were for wannbes, but have now found to be the home alone best solution. Since I'm generally alone, a shoulder holster with Glock 19 and gym shorts is my normal garb. Also, I have found that a loaded Rem 870 next to the fireplace helps my home decor to "pop".
When it's bedtime for bonzo, I transfer Glock 19 from shoulder holster to the IWB holster I use for CCW. Same deal when it's Bates Motel shower time.
To me it's convenience, nothing more, nothing less. I have reached the point where there is no drama or ego to being armed, it has the same emotional impact as whether or not I apply underarm deoderant. I generally do apply underam deoderant.
I am not uncomfortable being unarmed, there are many times when you can't carry. To me, life is about consistently improving the odds when you can, but not sweating it when you can't.
P.S. I still think that the shoulder holster is lousy from a quick draw, your initial stroke is going out of synch with natural body indexing. I train to draw to low ready, then up as normal. But since you are likely to be sitting down at home, anyway, you are likely to be fumbling a strong hipside draw as well.)
Obviously, a territorial dog can give you valuable lead time.
I tried the old gun in every room approach, but got tired of securing them every day before I left home.
I used to think that shoulder holsters were for wannbes, but have now found to be the home alone best solution. Since I'm generally alone, a shoulder holster with Glock 19 and gym shorts is my normal garb. Also, I have found that a loaded Rem 870 next to the fireplace helps my home decor to "pop".
When it's bedtime for bonzo, I transfer Glock 19 from shoulder holster to the IWB holster I use for CCW. Same deal when it's Bates Motel shower time.
To me it's convenience, nothing more, nothing less. I have reached the point where there is no drama or ego to being armed, it has the same emotional impact as whether or not I apply underarm deoderant. I generally do apply underam deoderant.
I am not uncomfortable being unarmed, there are many times when you can't carry. To me, life is about consistently improving the odds when you can, but not sweating it when you can't.
P.S. I still think that the shoulder holster is lousy from a quick draw, your initial stroke is going out of synch with natural body indexing. I train to draw to low ready, then up as normal. But since you are likely to be sitting down at home, anyway, you are likely to be fumbling a strong hipside draw as well.)
mikewilczynski
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in my pocket
I always have my 637 smith in my pocket or next to my bed. When I go out I carrry something with more firepower if the area or activity warrants. Into Detroit I am heavily armed.
I always have my 637 smith in my pocket or next to my bed. When I go out I carrry something with more firepower if the area or activity warrants. Into Detroit I am heavily armed.
silverlance
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about carrying at home
last night at 2:30 am my roomate knocked softly on my door and said, "get your gun."
I was up wth my p228 loaded and maglight (soon to be 951, thanks black bear) in cross-hold in left hand within 30 seconds.
this is because we were burgled three weeks ago and all my rifles were stolen, ripped out from their mounts.
now i have a shiba dog, ADT alarm, and locks everywhere with buffer zones - but boy am i glad that my SOP every night is to leave a p228 and 1 full mag on my nightstand on top of a gelatine pillow.
the dog chased somebody back over 6' wall.
we went back to be 10 mins later.
in the morning, i secure the firearm before leaving the house.
now if only i could get ccw in los angeles....
one last thing.
if you have a partner, it is VERY important you train together for HIB.
last night at 2:30 am my roomate knocked softly on my door and said, "get your gun."
I was up wth my p228 loaded and maglight (soon to be 951, thanks black bear) in cross-hold in left hand within 30 seconds.
this is because we were burgled three weeks ago and all my rifles were stolen, ripped out from their mounts.
now i have a shiba dog, ADT alarm, and locks everywhere with buffer zones - but boy am i glad that my SOP every night is to leave a p228 and 1 full mag on my nightstand on top of a gelatine pillow.
the dog chased somebody back over 6' wall.
we went back to be 10 mins later.
in the morning, i secure the firearm before leaving the house.
now if only i could get ccw in los angeles....
one last thing.
if you have a partner, it is VERY important you train together for HIB.
brian roberts
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carry.....
Barb, you might consider an ankle holster, & a J-frame S&W. its VERY EASY to find when you're waking up with someone on top of you. the legs are much stronger to push someone off with, plus, the revolver can be fired, repeatedly, through the covers. i hope you're now REALLY prepared, its information offered to help, not alarm. take care.
Barb, you might consider an ankle holster, & a J-frame S&W. its VERY EASY to find when you're waking up with someone on top of you. the legs are much stronger to push someone off with, plus, the revolver can be fired, repeatedly, through the covers. i hope you're now REALLY prepared, its information offered to help, not alarm. take care.
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