sarduy
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Or a KR-103Yep, you're looking at a PSA AK rebranded as a DPMS.
Hard pass here. If you want an AK, get an import...
Or a KR-103Yep, you're looking at a PSA AK rebranded as a DPMS.
Hard pass here. If you want an AK, get an import...
We have to look at the product instead of the name alone, if Daniel Defence buys Hipoint firearms name and start building ARs with that name, I would buy it without any issues, at the end of the day it’s just a stamped name, just like some Colt receivers are made by Anderson…
look at the Kalashnikov-USA KR-103, Yes it’s us made but it’s pretty much a us made Saiga. Another example is the US made Glock vs the Imported ones.
I agree whole heartedly. I don't buy anything based solely on brand . That said I find it disingenuous when companies do what PSA is doing with DPMS. DPMS as a company is completely dead, PSA only got the name, logo, and maybe some of the technical data packaged for DPMS products. I simply find this slapping the DPMS brand name on a gun that does not fit the brand's history as an insult to the brand and the customer. If your going to buy the DPMS name at least start with some of the products DPMS was know for, even if you later evolve the brand with new products. The GII was a fairly unique 308 platform that probably should have been more commercially successful if Remington had advertised it more. I would have a lot more respect for PSA if they revived that rifle and put the DPMS brand on it than wasting the DPMS brand on an AK...
I'm really hoping they do something with the GII. Don't they also have the rights to the ACR now too? That would be great to finally see widely avaliable on the market.
Yes,PSA bought, DPMS, AAC, H&R, Storm Lake Barrels and Parker Shotguns. If this is what they are going to do with DPMS I am sort of scared of what they will do with the rest. I am not holding my breath for any more 51T mounts for my SDN-6...
I'm hoping that selling the AK's as DPMS's was just a marketing thing since PSA branded AK's have a bit of a bad reputation.
It seems they've got them figured out (at least better) than they were, but were probably having a hard time selling them due to the early missteps. So they rebranded them to help them move and other products they have the IP for will start rolling out soon.
Palmetto State Armory.
Recently a representative of PSA said that they were using the DPMS brand to supply product to gun retailers. Almost all PSA built firearms are sold directly to individuals. So gun shops don't stock PSA ARs because individuals can buy from PSA and get them for less than a gun shop would sell them for after markup. Rebranding a PSA AR or AK as a DPMS allows retailers to buy their product and not have to compete based on the lowest price with PSA's direct to consumer model.
OMG DPMS is selling AK47's the Horror! That would be like Smith & Wesson selling 1911's or Ruger selling AR15's!!!
Oh Wait...
At least the company that bought the DPMS name is doing something with it. We can hope there will be more offerings in the future.
I like PSA. Haven't heard many negatives on their AK47's.
Do you have any information you can provide on PSA making this for DPMS or are you just assuming this because JJE Capital Holdings owns both?
Not questioning you just would like to know firmly for myself. I would assume the same as you that PSA would be making them to sell under DPMS.
If this is the case, and they are made to the standards of the new Gen5 AK's coming out of PSA then they should be a great option, if someone needs to have the DPMS name.
After Remington bought DPMS they shut down the St. Cloud factory and it ceased to exist as an operating company. It became just a name slapped on rifles built by Remington employees in Remington factories. Some ARs were branded DPMS, some branded Bushmaster and other ARs were sold as Remington. PSA is not besmirching the great name of DPMS. Frankly I think most people were surprised that someone even wanted to buy the name at all.
Would you say the same if the first Marlin released by Ruger was not a lever action? Ruger ain't that stupid.
S&W and Ruger did not get completely shut down and then their brands sold out of bankruptcy and then had their name slapped on a gun type they had never made previously. S&W and Ruger evolved and while maintaining their core products branch out into new areas growing their business market.
I am not say we should be horrified by it. Who know this new DPMS AK might ultimately be a great product and might turn into a great brand but those of us paying attention are rather disappointed at least in the short term.
Initial reviews of the DPMS ak look good:
A lot of US makers are going w a casting for a trunnion. Russian & Warsaw pact are usually forged or billets. There are no bells & whistles that can compensate for that. That is the crux of the matter, fit or no fit.PSA GF3: 5,000 Rounds Later - Done and Done! - YouTube This is Rob, with AKOU.
Good results. At 9:22 he describes how locking lugs, shoulders, bolt carrier tails should appear after 5.000 rds. - here, as a result of PSA's use of high grade steel and with very good quality control during assembly.
He also checks headspace and rivets periodically during his evaluations.
This rifle appears to exhibit about the same levels of moderate wear (after 5,000 rds.) as the WASR 10, Arsenal SAM, Zastava ZPAP and a number of other brands, which are known to have high quality components and assembly.