Drug gangs vs. Police (From Mexico)

[foghornl]

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MEXICO CITY — The entire police force of a small northern Mexican town quit after gunmen attacked their recently inaugurated headquarters, according to local reports on Wednesday.

No one was injured when gunmen fired 1,000 rounds at the police headquarters building in Los Ramones. Six grenades were thrown; three detonated.


I have seen a lot of reports lately about "Drug Gangs vs. The Police" in Mexican border towns, but this even surprises crusty old coot me!


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[Roughneck08]

Certainly not pleasing to hear. It is a shame seeing this happen. I will not be suprised when the violence starts to spread farther north up into the border states. I know it isn't pretty in Jaurez and El Paso.

 

[Sky]

Well lets see if they trace the grenade fragments back to a Mom and Pop gun shop in the states?

Two weeks ago in Matamoras the Gulf paid their normal bribe money to the Commandant and all was well supposedly.

Evidently though El Comandante got orders to capture the local Gulf chief or the bribe was not enough so a raid was launched anyway. 8 troops were killed (body count 0 GULF found Military 8 dead) and for the next 5 days the military was everywhere but no captures.

The Gulf guys have teamed up with a couple of other groups as has the Zetas and the war has escalated. I personally hope the gulf guys win in the drug war for they don't tend to shake down the local population like the Zetas do.

 

[Sky]

cowpoke as a nation we are kidding ourselves if our citizens and elected officials believe they are not already in the states. They just keep a lower profile.

 

[Jonah71]

In the early 70's I enjoyed several trips to Nogales. But now? I won't even consider visiting Tuscon. imo we are being invaded by a foriegn country and not doing much if anything to seriously put a stop to it. It's going to get much worse before it gets better. We are already giving up U.S. property along the border. And btw, I am in favor of legal imigration.

 

[dovedescending]

How long until it spreads to middle America, I wonder... all it takes is a little complacency.

 

[Sky]

My wife and kids go to Mexico every week. It bugs me sometimes (most of the time) but she grew up there before becoming a U.S. citizen.

The kids are now bi-lingual (not me) and always have a blast playing with 10,000 relatives. Yet it still bugs me.

The Mexican underground message board works quite well and somehow she always knows via the cell phone when not to cross the boarder for some serious stuff is about to happen.

For us normal Gringos without someone who is connected or "knows everyone" it is rather hard to have that type of intel.

It is what it is but yes it still bugs me.

In her world she feels safe because many residents have scanners. All the roads are color coded. Police or look outs get on their hand held radios and say something like military is on white 2 so the mafia stays away from sector 2 on white road.

Mafia gun fights are more frequent than military and mafia fights; if a cartel is trying to take over a town from the established cartel (turf war) the cartels tend to shoot known members of a rival cartel on sight and mayhem makes the funny papers an occasionally U.S. news.

Sometimes you can get all three factions going at it. However normally the military stands back and lets the factions go after each other and then comes in to clean up the pieces and claim victory.

This is just my two cents worth and yes it bugs me. She seems to know what she is doing but it still bugs me. I guess you could say I am bugged?

 

[wheelgunslinger]

The Strategy and Tactical challenge here is how a person navigates the world near the Southern border as a Sovereign individual while keeping their scalp.

Seems like it would be a good idea to read up on the Gulf and other groups to see how they use social camouflage (or don't use it) to hide their presence from US law enforcement.

Knowing who to call if you see something is a good idea, I'd say. Does one report information to USBP, Customs, local law enforcement, or a state level office? Is it even worth reporting or getting involved?

It seems like minding one's business hasn't worked too well. It's only led to a greater issue. So, what does a Sovereign person do about all this, if anything?

 

[roo_ster]

There are some English-language web sites that keep an eye on the border crime issues. Here is one:
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/

Be forewarned, the crime down there is decidedly gruesome and the web site spares no details.

I travel to Tucson, El Paso, S New Mexico, and there'bouts periodically. I do not cross over to Mexico, these days.

 

[788Ham]

My wife and I have traveled to Puerto Villarta, Mexico for the last 6-7 years, staying at a fantastic resort there. NO MORE! We aren't the types to spread bad things about the residents down there, we've never had "one time" where we felt like we were in trouble, course, we don't go into the back alleys and places looking for trouble either. The whole climate down there seems to headed downhill, no, we won't be going back. If there are the problems in Nogales, and El Paso Texas, why go further south? JMHO

 

[sherman123]

since this happened in Mexico and innocent civilians there probably wouldn't be carrying, the only thing they could probably have a chance to do is run for cover. If you have to hide behind a car to avoid stray rounds, the engine block is the best cover.

 

[Sky]

I used to have a clearance and worked for a governmental sneaky pete outfit (not high on the food chain but hey I was there) so I always figured being the red white and blue all American boy I could pick up the phone and call to report bad goings on.

A couple of years back I had some innuendo and hearsay that I could not prove one way or the other but at the time thought it was important; don't even remember what it was now. I mentioned to the wife I should call a friend who was still active and I trusted. Her comment at that time was you do and we could all die.

I don't get paid to do intel and even if I did I would have serious concerns on who to report the information to. To much money involved and can turn a lot of people to the dark side.

 

[Kleanbore]

In Post #8, wheelgunslinger made a comment relevant to strategies and tactics. Most everything else has been irrelevant to this forum. Let's see if anyone can make a constructive contribution, or this one will come to its end.

 

[Art Eatman]

The small city of Ojinaga, in Chihuahua, is right across from Presidio, Texas. It is an important shopping point for me and for friends in the area.

Strategy: Go over in the morning. Generally, the bad guys are still in bed.

Tactics: Going in an old, low-value truck removes any temptation for a car-jacking. Get in as stores open, shop, get out. Back to the U.S. before noon.

 

[Cearbhall]

Would the Narcos/Gangsters have gotten this far if the Mexican people had the right to have guns to fight back with?

 

[armoredman]

It's anarchy down there. We watch it move north. Strategy? Stock up, get supplies, wait for Oboma to surrender the Southwest completely.

 

[chieftain]

Certainly not pleasing to hear. It is a shame seeing this happen. I will not be suprised when the violence starts to spread farther north up into the border states. I know it isn't pretty in Jaurez and El Paso.

It already has, here in Arizona.

Murdered ranchers, wounded Sheriff deputies, Contract put on the head of our highest profile Sheriff. Para-military hits in the suburbs of Phoenix.

Known Cartel folks setting up armed OP's on hills and mountain tops almost one hundred miles inside Arizona.

How much more has to happen? This is just the beginning. Will it take mass killings before we actually act?

These things are real and have happened already.

Let me know when you think we really are in it? What additional crimes would be required to happen?

Go Figure.

Fred

 

[Sky]

Chieftain/Fred EXACTLY!

 

[Mike J]

Chieftain is right. There have been cartel related murders here in the Atlanta area. The border needs to be closed but I don't believe it will happen.

 

[Sky]

As Art said much of the stuff that goes down happens after 9pm. However there have been instances of some Government official being hit during normal office hours. There are no guarantees just better times to move about if you have to.

 

[wheelgunslinger]

After doing some research, it looks like the typical bureaucracy of the feds leaves the average citizen on the street in a lurch when it comes to reporting crimes or suspicious behavior.
There are some good local leos like the Texas Border Sheriff's Coalition and their cobranded programs like Blue Servo.

For the most part it looks like a typical situation of a fairly well lubed and funded bunch of outlaws using the hidebound nature of the feds against them. They seem to have everything from lobbyists in DC derailing legislation all the way down to tough guys on the street using naked violence and everything in between.

It would appear that until a group of citizens are willing to do a Northfield MN type resistance, that probably the only thing to do is duck and cover if you find yourself in the wrong place at the right time. Or run like heck and hope you don't get mowed down in the crossfire or what have you.

What a mess. Looks like it's ostensibly a war between the real and unelected government in Mexico and the US. That's no place for an average joe to get caught.

 

[Kleanbore]

I think this one has provided as much usefulness as we're going to see from it.