Dud....dud.....dud

[DTL]

I have no trouble with my 15-22 using CCI minigags plated RN or Norma LRN, why shoot HP's in a plinking situation?

 

[trackskippy]

Once you get them tuned right, the 15-22's seem to shoot pretty much anything without issue. As long as theres not a problem with the ammo itself. Most of what I shoot out of mine are CCI Blazers, since I have a bunch of it, but Ive shot Winchester Super X, Aquila, AR Tactical, Mini Mags, Stingers, and they all worked.

The only ammo I have trouble with in most all my autos, has been some old Federal "Match" that Ive had around for years. It never cycled in my rifles or pistols. Always went bang though, just not enough oomff to cycle the guns.

Other than a couple of older rifles, Ive had a lot of problems with pretty much anything Remington related over the years, and I just dont bother with them anymore.

 

[MedWheeler]

I reserve my scads of Federal AutoMatch and CCI MiniMags for my autoloaders. Cheaper stuff gets fed to the revolvers; the Taurus 94 has an especially hard-hitting hammer.

I do have one of those 1400-round buckets I got back in maybe 2013 (during a previous "banic"), but I haven't gotten into it yet. My Henry lever, which I've had since 2015 (but haven't fired yet) might be a good candidate for those, since ejection will be swift and instinctive.

 

[stonebuster]

The Remington Golden bullets would bind the cylinder of my Ruger Single Six (SA) because @ one in ten would stand too proud and bind on the recoil shield. Switching to CCI completely eliminated the issue.

 

[AK Hunter]

I help empty the dud buckets at the range, there are some really interesting rounds dumped there. There are times when I find someone has dropped a whole box of ammo in the dud buckets. It's mostly .22s but there has been a few boxes of .410 dumped too. The .22lr is usually not hot enough to cycle a semi auto I save it back for my bolt action guns. Nothing like free ammo but most of it I break down into components for recycling.

 

[IMAhobbyist]

Had the same problem with a Remington Model 597. Frequent failures to feed and when you did have a round that fired, there was typically a failure to eject. Adding insult to injury was that it performed it's worst using Remington ammo!...d.

If I could offer any words of wisdom to the world it would be, should you see one of these on a gun rack somewhere, anywhere, at a perceived really good price, just turn around and run away; cause there ain't no such thang as a good buy on a 597. This is based on the two I divested last year and another three that friends bought at the same time back when Remington was offering a BIG rebate on the 597.

 

[Pete D.]

Occasionally I'll see a thread regarding a poorly performing gun or ammo, sort of write these off as getting a rare lemon now and then. I understand not everything produced performs perfect right from the factory. I've had an extremely good run of luck with firearm purchases, very few problems.....till now.

We've all heard of the convergence of multiple flaws that combined to create a "perfect storm"......this is probably what stumped me trying to find a solution.

To start with I picked up a S&W MP 15-22 pistol as a fun plinker for the grandkids. First trip to the range was pretty frustrating, failure to fire, failure to eject, empties getting jammed around the bolt. Go to You-Tube and see if others are having this problem, sure enough there are dozens of videos on how to fix your MP 15-22. Extractor needed to be bent upward, replaced the firing pin and claw extractor with Volquartsen upgrades. Primer strikes were deeper and more pronounced, ejections improved. Guess Smith & Wesson just had a bad day when this one was built.

Still had issues with duds......couldn't fire more than 4-to-5 rounds without a failure. Using a brick of Remington Yellow Jacket and the rims were showing good firing pin strikes. Tried taking some of the duds and rotating them through again....still wouldn't ignite. In three boxes of the ammo was experiencing nearly a 10% failure rate. Guess someone at Remington was having a bad day too. Unfortunately I still have four more bricks of the Yellow Jacket stashed away.

So I'll write this off as a learning experience and hope those manufacturers have better days in the future.


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I stopped using Remington rimfire ammo a couple of decades ago. That is a long “bad day”.

 

[Shivahasagun]

I got rid of my .22's for the same reason. They just aren't normally very reliable, especially in a semi-auto anything.

After years without I did pick up a new Marlin 795. It's been reliable but I've only put maybe 300 rounds through it with quality ammo. (CCI, Aguila HV)

I'd never rely on a rimfire for self-defense.

Malfunctions are frustrating and dangerous (even just plinking misfires can be dangerous) and lifes too short for that.

If I get to 500 rds with no malfunctions I'll be pleased. 1k and I'll be really impressed.

 

[mnrivrat]

I shot a lot of .22rf ammo to help keep my family fed when I was in my pre-teen years (1950's) mostly. My Remington M510 Targetmaster was bought used at the local Gambles Hardware store for $7.95 . At the local Webb gas station you could buy .22 LR ammo for 1 cent ea. That was higher (each) of course than a box of 50 at the Hardware stores, but at times I didn't have the funds to buy but a few rounds. I do not recall any misfires. If I had any it was extremely seldom.

So I'll write this off as a learning experience and hope those manufacturers have better days in the future.

I would send an email to Remington with the pictures of those primer strikes and the lot numbers off the inside flaps of the carton and/or individual boxes. These may have been produced prior to the recent ownership change ? but I would ask them if they would replace the present 4 + bricks you have with rounds not having such a high failure rate. Shipping what you have back to them on their dime, or to refund your money. They can't do anything worse than say no.

 

[.38 Special]

Looks like I'm not the only one who saw the thread title and pretty much knew where we were headed from there.

 

[catt57]

Rim-fire ammo is also susceptible to having the primer compound fall out of the rim due to vibrations and sharp impacts (like dropping a case or box of ammo on a concrete floor).

 

[792mauser]

Haven't had many duds in my experience with Remington rimfire.

The problems I did have with them were the screaming fliers at 25yds.

Like ".35 for 9 rounds and the flyer opened it up to 3ish inches outta my Suhl 150.
Sometimes it's good for 15 20 rounds then here comes a wild screwball at over 3 inches.

And don't get me started on the random vertical (velocity) dispersion.

In anything open sighted it's only marginally better than a shotgun occasionally.

 

[MacAR]

Ah, Yellowjackets... my grandad loved those things "cause ya' never have to shoot a critter with 'em twice", or so he said. I admit, I've shot a lot of them myself and have had pretty decent luck with them. As a matter of fact, he shows more duds in one photo than I can recall ever having with them. To the best of my recollection there are about a half dozen boxes of them still in my stash. They make excellent groundhog/coon/possum stoppers, especially out of a handgun. Can't help but wonder if the OP's problem is due to "rushed" production during the Recent Unpleasantness. Probably never know the answer to that one, but regardless, the OP's experience isn't what I'd call "normal". The only ammo I can't ever remember getting a dud out of, is CCI MiniMags; I recall a bad lot of SV and another one of Blazer. For the most part, CCI produces good ammo. Another brand I've had good luck with is Aguila; rarely got any duds and pretty accurate for what it is. Blue box Federal is another favorite.

Something I've observed over the years: duds happen more often in dirty guns. I can shoot 50 or 100 rounds through my auto's with no problem. But, when I get up to around 4 or 500, I start having failure to fires. A good cleaning usually remedies this and I'm back in business. My bolt and lever guns can usually go a bit longer, but not much. 22LR ammo is dirty by nature and will gum up a gun faster than anything else. Even my Single Six will start binding if it hasn't been cleaned in a while, though it rarely fails to go bang. Just something to consider, no offense intended.

On a somewhat related note, my LGS got in a few bricks of new Remington Thunderbolts the other day, and I picked up a couple since they were "reasonable". I ran about 100 of them through the Single Six just this afternoon. Was shooting at a 12" plate at ~40 yards; averaged hits 5 out of 6 shots (which could've been me more than the gun or ammo) and only had 1 dud. Even turned it and ran it back through, still just "click". But, that's what I consider "normal" for cheap-o plinking ammo. When you consider that the ammo only cost $4.50/ 50 rounds in this day and time, I'm not complaining. Heck, I was glad to get it!

Mac

 

[FROGO207]

To me it is interesting that I can have 1 in 10 duds with Remington Golden Bullets and an occasional dud with most other brands but have NEVER had a dud .22 MAG round. Probably have shot 20 K MAG rounds in all conditions and over lots of brands including WIN dynapoints and the all went bang. Cant say they all were accurate though.
I have a Remington 497M that has had at least 7K rounds down the barrel and it is more dependable than my Ruger 10-22 so far.
I will have to admit that I have gone away from the .22 MAG to light loaded 223 with a hornet bullet or even the 22 hornet to do the same thing but it is reloadable.

 

[Demi-human]

To me it is interesting that I can have 1 in 10 duds with Remington Golden Bullets and an occasional dud with most other brands but have NEVER had a dud .22 MAG round.

I wonder if they use a “magnum” primer compound that is more durable to transport, or if a larger amount is used for the bigger(snicker) case, making it more durable.
A larger amount of explosive material has to be more reliable, right?

If I remember right, these are M-22 Black Pack promo ammunition. I was happy to find some “Good ol’ Winchester” ammo.

Well, duds happened enough I took a picture of it.
I too went through the whole pistol, and then tried them in a rifle just to be sure.

Upon piecing some of the broken primer cake together, it looked to me that the little drop had not dispersed to the rim. There is a primer strike at each quadrant on both cases.

I was glad to see them go.
I find that my bare minimum is fifty round packages in boxes of five hundred. But I have recently learned that, even if one buys those in bulk of ten or fifteen thousand rounds, these are not bulk packages. Only the loose one are.

No wonder I find fewer duds than average. And when I get out the Bucket O’ Fodder stuff it’s remarkable to me enough I record it.
(A package of 2,200 should have a fail rate of 1.1%, in the whole promo pack. Not ten or twenty per 550. In my perhaps lofty opinion.)

 

[H&R Glock]

You can get a box of 500 Golden Bullets in which every cartridge fires fine. You can also get a box that is pure junk. I stopped using them long ago.
We joke that the golden color comes from Remington workers peeing on the ammo. It could happen!

 

[hemiram]

I learned a long time ago that Remingon .22LR is just to be avoided, no matter how great the price is. If I get some for basically free, it goes into my .22 SA Pietta revolver, and nothing else. Last bunch of it I got was "Golden Bullet" and it was just amazingly bad. Like about 7% duds, and quite a few deformed cases that wouldn't chamber anyway. Oh well, it was free, and worth everything I paid for it. I had some other Rem .22LR years ago, and it was even worse. I don't remember the name, except it had a golden flat tipped bullet and it was very loud. At least 10% fail rate. That 250 rounds took forever to put through my friend's .22 rifle.

 

[rust collector]

I don't have any golden bullet ammo newer than 20 years old, and I have had no problems. I suspect that QC has been a challenge when demand is high and when the owner is barely able to stay in business just ahead of a bankruptcy. Bulk rounds will rarely be as reliable as individually packaged rounds. I hope Vista seizes this opportunity to put out some great rimfire, but it will be a challenge to overcome the bad rep.

 

[TRX]

I'd email Remington and tell them about the failure rate. You might be able to get them to replace the ammo.

If the ammo was mde with low-lead or lead-free priming compounds, it might be expired, even if it doesn't say so on the box. Some of the "green" priming compounds have a fairly short shelf life, just a few years.

 

[peeplwtchr]

My 15-22 started doing that after about 10k rounds. I discovered the rollpin which holds the trigger in was mishapen. I replaced it and the firing pin, and it works perfectly again. I really think the rollpin was what did it.

 

[Poper]

the Taurus 94 has an especially hard-hitting hammer.

And a trigger pull to match!
The Taurus 94 I had came with one of the worst triggers I have ever had in any gun. It was so bad, I decided to take it upon myself to do my first ever trigger job. (A local gunsmith and I had an agreement that I would not do gunsmithing if he would not practice architecture.... He retired, so I felt the Taurus was fair game.... )
I clipped a couple coils off the mainspring, removed a burr in the firing pin hole and polished every surface that something moved on with a little jeweler's rouge, a dremel buffing wheel and a variable speed dremel tool. - Not enough to remove any amount of material, just enough to make it shine. Including the frame and side plate. Add a little Rigg during reassembly and .....
Wow! What a difference a couple hours made!! It really was a nice shooter after that little bit of work! So nice that my Chiropractor talked me into selling it to him as a teaching pistol for his wife. (He refuses to sell it back to me, too. I have tried to buy it back on multiple occasions.)