The Great Thunder dud will it even go off test

How many duds did I get.?

  • 0- they all went off! (Get real tark, what have you been smoking?)

    Votes: 12 12.9%
  • 0-5 Pretty darn good for cheap ammo.

    Votes: 29 31.2%
  • 5-10 Still not too bad out of 500 rounds fired.

    Votes: 20 21.5%
  • 10-20 Well that's not very good

    Votes: 26 28.0%
  • 20-40 I guess this stuff really is crap!

    Votes: 6 6.5%
  • 40 or more. You couldn't give me this stuff.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    93
We had an old semi automatic 22 rifle growing up(if you didn’t clean it it would set of about 3-4 in a row), that would shoot anything, but nothing well. If we had a dud, we’d stick it in my dads old H&R revolver and pow it would go.
I’m guessing 5-10
 
While I haven't purchased or shot Remington 22lr of any sort for a long time I don't recall it being a round that didn't go bang with any frequency. Dirty? Yes. Not reliably accurate? Yes. My guess is 0-5.

It takes a while to go through a 500 box with a lever action and a Heritage Rough Rider.
Sometimes almost a whole afternoon......... :)
 
It doesn’t sound like a lot if you’re used to a 30 round magazine but that 15 round tube will run them pretty fast. I did make the mistake, maybe, of zeroing the Henry with Thunderbolt, with a bastard file. No going back now.
 
5 duds was my pick. That’s a 1% failure rate, which I think is better than they were known for.




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Way back in the furthest reaches of my ammo stash, among the stack of 12 and 16 gauge buckshot and boxes of targets, I still have a couple of Remington .22 buckets I haven’t touched. I see recent ads for them every once in a while so I guess they may still be being filled. :)

Honestly, with all of the better stuff I have on hand I don’t know if I ever will get around to shooting these.

Stay safe.
LOL first aid kit next to ammo subject of discussion LOL
 
Seen a lot of complaints on gun boards about .22 LR failures to fire. Every visit to the range i fire 100-200 rounds of .22 LR between center fire rifle groups. Can't remember the last time i had a failure to fire.

Yes, i have .22 Thunderbolt ammo; the stuff cruds up the Ruger faster than other ammo but it always fires.
 
I've had approximately zero issues with "Thunderduds". In fact, I could probably count on one hand the amount of malfunctions/duds I've had with rimfire ammo. The only exception is an older box of Automatch that I got in a trade. I had maybe 10% jam on me in a Ruger Mark pistol, but they all went bang. No telling how that stuff was stored, so I'm not inclined to cast judgement.
 
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This is for those skeptical of Thunderbolts being "Thunderduds" (Believe me, I was one of them around 40,000 rounds ago several years ago and actually swore them off forever ... But many THR members asked me to reconsider when I started my 10,000 round comparison test ... And I was glad as it was 100% reliable during several thousand rounds of 10/22 and T/CR22 break-in period).

What I did to rule out any firearm related issues like firing pin/fouling/strike issue and accuracy trend verification was to use a known reliable reference ammunition which started out as CCI SV 40 gr LRN (that I use for chrono reference velocity baseline for powder work up) and later Aguila 40 gr CPRN.

I always started documented range sessions where I captured all 5/10 shot groups shot at 50 yards with known reference ammunition and if there was any accuracy/firearm concerns, I would shoot some reference ammunition groups to verify (If reference ammo produced tight groups with no duds, it wasn't the firearm).

So it would be good for the OP @tark to test "known reliable ammunition" so if Thunderbolt experiences duds but not "known reliable ammuition", then we can better blame Thunderbolt for duds. ;)

As to the poll, I say 0 if Thunderbolt lot is fresh and box hasn't been damaged during shipping/transport to move the priming compound away from the rim. But realistically factoring truck suspension/road surface condition/rough handling of shipping companies along with rifle firing pin/spring/channel fouling factors, it may be 0-5. (Now, if known reliable ammunition also experiences duds ... then it raises further questions about shooting variable :))

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For my last round of comparison ammunition testing at 50 yards, scope was zeroed with "boxed" Aguila 40 gr CPRN and CCI SV was shot next to establish baseline accuracy POI vs POA before shooting new brands/lots of ammunition (Green circles were POA and slower velocity rounds showed lower POI from bullet drop). Top row shows my final two zero groups of scope with Aguila to POA and CCI SV groups shows drop in POI from bullet drop (And yeah, slight drifting of POI to left is shooter input on trigger/muzzle) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...t-shipped-pricing.902560/page-5#post-12304852

Last Aguila group on bottom right was shot to re-verify POI vs POA/accuracy and I say we were still zeroed. (Second Aguila 40 gr group from left on bottom row is new lot of "loose bulk" 250 round pack compared to 50 round "boxed" lot of same lot # I used for reference for all of my 10,000+ round testing ... Yes, I bought A LOT of it to use as reference ammo) This is what I mean by using "known accurate/reliable ammunition (Of course, I didn't experience any duds during the testing) :thumbup:

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This target shows me "walking up" the "boxed" Aguila 40 gr CPRN groups to zero the scope before shooting the previous target. I later decided to shoot Aguila "Lead" RN groups on same target instead of using a new target (Call me cheap :p).

Notice all CPRN groups on top row maintained 3/4" and 40 gr LRN groups on bottom row produced smaller groupings slightly below POA due to slower velocity (Which has been consistent during 10,000+ round testing) except for my input on trigger to push POI to left.

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Might as well give the answer.

ZERO is the answer. :what:Every one went "bang"

I'm going back for a few more bricks. :)
I casted my "0" vote before I read the 2nd page. I used to avoid them because of the "thunder dud" moniker. I'm pretty sure I've never even heard them called by their name but I bought a few bricks during a shortage years ago and they work well in my semi's and I have also been through plenty of dudless bricks. It's not the most accurate but is comparable to any other bulk .22lr except it's generally more reliable, lol.
 
Glad to hear they all fired, I figured you would get a few duds. :thumbup:

No brand is immune from a lemon rimfire. I had a FTF from a Winchester 40 gr fmj .22 WMR today. Two hits from the Ruger American’s firing pin wouldn’t set it off, so it went into the dud bucket..

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Stay safe.
 
Well...seems my guess is too late! I was going to go with zero, as I have plenty on hand hand haven't had any notible issues at all with them.

Glad to hear that was your experience here!
 
Glad to hear they all fired, I figured you would get a few duds. :thumbup:

No brand is immune from a lemon rimfire. I had a FTF from a Winchester 40 gr fmj .22 WMR today. Two hits from the Ruger American’s firing pin wouldn’t set it off, so it went into the dud bucket.
No brand is "immune" from harsh transportation conditions of pothole bumps/vibrations and rough shipping/handling of being dropped from waist height (My friend worked for UPS and he told me what they did to our packages, especially heavy ones). ;)

It doesn't matter that priming compound was at the rim when leaving the factory. What matters is whether that priming compound moves away from rim during shipping and handling. :)
 
Well, sounds like they’ve stepped up their game.

Based on past use, which resulted in them being on my “no buy” list, I was figuring a 4% failure rate.

I did recently have a dud and a misformed case which would not chamber in a box of Remington .38spl.
 
It has never seemed to matter WHAT ammo I have used over the years - Rem. "Golden", "Thunderduds", Winchester bulk, Federal, etc. - I can count on a 1 - 3% dud rate. I don't buy Automatch, Fiocchi, or any of those "premium" ammos. I have bought (on rare occasion) some CCI Mini-Mags and Maxi-Mags and they seem to be slightly better than the bulk stuff.
 
Everybody pile on Thunder Bolts.......keep it comin'...obviously keeps the price down, Just before the whole meltdown on supply started a few years ago I walked into my local gun shop and they had pallets of TB's 15 bucks a brick. I bought 20. Kept me shooting during the famine. In 10 bricks I had maybe a few fails to fire and accuracy in my rifles ( MP-22, Mossberg Western Auto, 10-22, Wrangler. ) was with out reproach. My semi auto pistols prefer CCI mini mags for accuracy and function. I'll take a deal on TB's any day.
 
No more and no less duds than other brands sans the premium match stuff like Eley. When I do get a failure I look close at the primer strikes. While I have never bothered to count failures I seem to have fewer in certain rifles and handguns. My older Remington rifles like my 510, 511 and 512 seem to shoot anything I put in them fine and my old S&W Model 17 revolvers are the same. They always work. I am never too quick to fault the rimfire ammunition till I look long and hard at primer strikes.

Ron
 
No brand is "immune" from harsh transportation conditions of pothole bumps/vibrations and rough shipping/handling of being dropped from waist height (My friend worked for UPS and he told me what they did to our packages, especially heavy ones). ;)

It doesn't matter that priming compound was at the rim when leaving the factory. What matters is whether that priming compound moves away from rim during shipping and handling. :)
I've been wanting to ask this question for quite a while now and you seem to be the best person to ask given your extensive experience with rimfire ammo. Why is rimfire priming compound supposedly so sensitive to shock and vibration while center-fire rounds can quite literally be kicked out of a plane while retaining 100% reliability? The only explanation I can think of is that rimfire ammo lacks an anvil to keep the priming compound in place.
 
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I've been wanting to ask this question for quite a while now and you seem to be the best person to ask given your extensive experience with rimfire ammo. Why is rimfire priming compound supposedly so sensitive to shock and vibration while center-fire rounds can quite literally be kicked out of a plane while retaining 100% reliable? The only explanation I can think of is that rimfire ammo lacks an anvil to keep the priming compound in place.

Remember all that "Special" ammo Federal made up for the shooting teams at the 1996 Olympics. That ammo had a dimple in the base of the case. Federal spent a lot of money and time testing to see if it contributed to high consistency / accuracy. Then after the Olympics all that ammo found its way to the commercial out lets. Suddenly, Everyone and their mom was having the best success with their sporters and BR rigs. Then it was gone. And we went back to Euro made BR ammo for results. SO YES, the anvil idea holds weight.
 
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