eaa witness 10mm accuracy

[ArkansasFatboy]

Guys have any of you had any experience with the eaa witness elite match or the hunter model in 10mm.My dad is looking at getting one for hunting and was curious about accuracy out to 100yds. any info or opinions greatly appreciated

 

[GJgo]

I shot a Tanfoglio 10mm Witness Hunter (LOL must be Italian!) one time, the longslide version. Thing came in a red velvet case no less. It was the most accurate handgun I've ever shot, but we were using medium powered loads.

 

[ak-kev]

My Elite Match 10mm is absolutely amazingly accurate. I really couldnt believe it. Now, I have never shot it at 100yards or anything close. Accuracy is a very subjective topic. Everyone interprets it differently. Im just saying I shoot more accurate with my Elite Match than with anything else I own.

 

[hardluk1]

One thing about the witness line is they can change to many diffent calibers for a low cost for cheaper practice. Buy the 10mm and shoot 9mm with a 200dollar upper and mag change or 4 other choices. I had a 40sw and it also was very acurate.

 

[IdahoLT1]

Personally, for any iron sight pistol/revolver, id keep it within 50yds. Ask your dad at what distance can he no longer hit a 6" gong 10 out of 10 times. That aside, yes, the EAA witness match lineup are all very accurate.

 

[Zsnark]

Witness .45 to 10mm...info please

Got a Witness .45 from late 90s. Love the pistol, but, to me it's kinds' bulky to pack. And, I do not subscribe to the "9mm won't save you" theory. If I need to save my aging butt, it will be with a 12ga. However, I am a CZ/and FN Hipowr fan. The .45 Witness satisfies my yearning to go big bore. I know that this same gun frame was used to handle the full tilt 10mm. How do I get the parts to try this concept out. EAA has not responded to emails. Anyone out there had a similar urge and/or experience? And, does anyone suggest I give the idea up for some reason...like, safety.

AAW

Merry Whatever, and don't forget to "check your six!"

 

[plateshooter]

Zsnark, I got my 10mm conversion for my Witness 45 from Reed's Ammo. http://www.reedsammo.com/ They don't show them on their website now, but may still sell them. I suggest a phone call to EAA as their email response has been non existent from my experience.

 

[jeepmor]

jeepmor

 

[xr1200]

Before your dad buys some handgun for long distance hunting, have him take the most accurate hand gun he has and then try and hit a deer target at 100 yrds and see how many times he hits it.

I did a test about 20 yrs. ago shooting off hand with open sights on a bunch of different scoped and open sight revolvers and autos and compared them to a scoped bolt action 7mm pistol xp100 fired off hand at a deer target with ten shots for each gun. While trying to simulate actual hunting conditions.

The end results were that even a highly modded colt 10mm only hit the target once at a 100 yrds, 45 gold cup 1 hit, scoped revolvers were only slightly better at 2-3 hits, where as the xp100 hit the vitals 8 out of 10 shots.

The simple fact is that a short barrelled 5-8" auto or revolver is really only good for 25-30 yrds. on big game in actual hunting conditions.

I know there are ppl that can make some great great long distance shots with autos and revolvers,but for most ppl its not really practicle to use a pistol for hunting, if your state allows you to use a rifle for the big game season in your state.

 

[jeepmor]

Sounds like a 50 yd limit here.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

Interesting about not being able to hit with a 10mm at 100 yrds.

I shoot clay pigeons routinely with my 10mm Les Baer but it has his 1.5" 50 yard guarantee so I have the confidence that the gun can do it.

Once you get the windage and elevation down, you can nail them pretty darn routinely.

 

[Chuck Perry]

Perfect practice makes perfect. Choose the platform that works best for you and shoot the snot out of it. There is plenty of documentation of people making reliable 100 yard hits with service sized autos out to 100 yards. The 10mm cartridge is very capable of doing this. The 100 yard ballistics for putting down a deer might be questionable, but I am sure that it can be done with proper load selection.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

Yep, get out there and blast some 10's. Fill a bag like this every couple of weeks and you will be able to hit at 100 yrs.

Here are my "factory" targets. The Baer is 8 shots at 50 yrds, the Razorback is 8 shots at 50 ft I believe (it may have been 25 yrds). Get an accurate gun, practice a ton and your confidence will go up a lot.

 

[GJgo]

With my 6.5" 610 & a scope of some kind I'm sure I could work up a good (enough) load for 100 yds, and possibly even have it be potent enough for hunting small to medium game. However, with the OP's EAA, all I ever hear about with those are slides cracking & other problem with hot loads. I'd recommend keeping the EAA as a target pistol wth more mild loads which I'm sure it will excel at. If he wants to hunt with a 10, I'd say a 610 or a Glock with one of those long aftermarket supported barrels.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

50 shots at 15 yrds of course.

I was just out shooting my 610 yesterday. I still don't like the grips on it but I have to give the gun its dues. It is sure accurate! What a great suggestion but I did not think a revolver was an option.

I will add that I shot things out of my 10mm witness that I would never even begin to let get near my 1911's.

My witness was one of the older ones that looked more like the hi-power. I put nuclear loads in it that my Glock would have shuttered to even try out. The witness is (was?) such a solidly built gun that I had complete confidence in it. You can (could) push the witness extremely hard and get some wicked hot rounds out of it.

I believe the problem "may" be that the witness is so tough that it does not give normal pressure signs so folks like me keep pushing it harder and harder until things start to crack. Like I said, I never had problems with mine but I did not shoot it anymore and sold it off. Basically I got to the point of "why waste a perfectly good 10mm round in a witness when I could put it down my Baer or RZ?"

 

[xr1200]

Those test targets you show are from a factory test rig where the gun is fired in a machine rest.

Send us some pics of ten shot groups fired off hand at 50 yrds.

 

[Peter M. Eick]

Actually, both test targets were shot off the bench with bags. No special machine rest.

Les Baer shoots every gun for accuracy, especially 1.5" guarantee ones. He even called me and asked me what ammo I wanted it tuned to (Winchester Silver tips was my choice) so I asked him about it.

The Moderator Phil over at the 1911 forum Dan Wesson Forum works for Dan Wesson and he shot my test target when they built my RZ. It was one of the original 150 so I got to spec it out. He talked about that mine was a particularly accurate one.

Now as to me doing it. I have tried many times and have on rare cases actually shot a 10 round 50 yard group with less then 1.5". You should try it some time. I find I can get off the first 4,5,6 rounds in a real tight group and then I usually choke it. It is very hard to try and get all of those rounds in a tight group.

The key is I know the gun can do it. Any failure is mine and mine alone so that is why I bought the option. Baer guarantees it can do it or he will work the gun over until it can.