Eat TASER, grandma.

[rkh]

Man Tasers wife's grandmother

VANCOUVER, Wash. (AP) — A man who zapped his wife's grandmother with a Taser tells a Washington newspaper that if he had it to do over again he wouldn't have used it.

Aaron de Bruyn was arrested after a dispute earlier this week over how to discipline his seven-month-old son.

He gave the baby a swat on his diapered rear-end to stop him from grabbing electrical wires. The wife's grandmother, who was visiting, called that child abuse and said she'd have the child taken away.

That's when de Bruyn told her to leave the house. When she refused, he got out the Taser and gave her a 60-second countdown and then used the stun gun on her right shoulder.

Police say the grandmother was not injured. De Bruyn was arrested and spent a night in jail.


http://www.tampabays10.com/news/national/article.aspx?storyid=48123&s=f

 

[tnieto2004]

HA! I bet he spent a few night on the couch for that one ..

 

[gbran]

I won't judge. He could be a real jerk, but then again, she could be a real piece of work herself. Not enough data here.

 

[Old Fuff]

Grandma sounds like one of those modern "progressive" mother-in-law's. Maybe he swatted the wrong family member.

 

[Zedicus]

To be honest, I cant blame the guy one bit.

old bat sounds like one of those super liberal types...

 

[goColt]

If anyone other than my wife has an opinion on how I discipline my daughter, I'll politely tell them to mind their own business . . . and that's about it.

Using a stun gun or any other weapon in such a case is just a tad extreme. Sounds like both dad and grandma are two nut-jobs but as was said, not very much information to go on so who knows.

I guess he could have called the local PD to have her removed from the house but I sure wouldn't want to deal with my wife if I ever did something like that. What is it they say about Hell and a woman scorned?

 

[JohnL2]

For some reason after reading the story, the theme from "The Adams Family" started playing in my head.

 

[Axman]

I think the mutual feelings are a little deeper and very negative between them.

 

[chris in va]

Spare the Taser, spoil the child.

 

[SolaScriptura139]

That's when de Bruyn told her to leave the house. When she refused, he got out the Taser and gave her a 60-second countdown and then used the stun gun on her right shoulder.

Hey, he told her to leave, she didn't. And he did give her a countdown. Not saying I agree with his methods. I absolutely hate it when people tell me how to raise my children. I smack (lightly) my daughter's (15 months) hands when she's getting into things she shouldn't.

 

[Mr Kablammo]

Spare the Taser.... that's a bon mot!

 

[busy_squirrel]

Similar thing happened to me. I tried to carry an uninvited and dismissed (told to leave) someone out of my house, and was charged with assault. Good thing the charges were dropped when I fought back. But I still spent a day in jail for it.

Long story short:

Washington State law NEVER allows you to use force to remove someone from your property.

Force to prevent your death, yes. To remove "squatters", no. The LEOs will tell you to call them. Hopefully your "guest" doesn't assault you and leave before the LEOs get there.:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

my mil

got the hint when i told her to make a mortgage payment then she got a vote

 

[cbsbyte]

It pisses me off to no end to read about cases like this one, some people have no commen sense. This guy overreacted to the situtation. Yes, relatives can be a pain in the ass, but that does not give one the right to tazer them when they refuse to leave the house. She was not a physical threat to him, and he was pissed off by her comment. I would not be suprised if the GM sues him, and tries to gain custody of the child. He might loose that case.

 

[Professor K]

Well I dont know, he had a taser in his hand, and did a 60 second countdown, a whole 60 seconds to start leaving. Then he tasered her, which I mean isnt fun, but you know, she didnt die from it. He did not use what could be considered "lethal" force against her.

I dont believe this guy should be punished, and I also believe the mother in law should have just left after being told to or during the 60 seconds.

 

[creitzel]

I guess he could have called the local PD to have her removed from the house but I sure wouldn't want to deal with my wife if I ever did something like that. What is it they say about Hell and a woman scorned?

But you would rather deal with her after tasering gradma? Sorry, couldn't resist, I found this statement really funny considering the situation.

got the hint when i told her to make a mortgage payment then she got a vote

One day, not too long after we were first married, my MIL was visiting. I left the house to run to the store for about 5 minutes, and when I returned, I found my wife in tears, and on the phone threatening to call the police. My MIL was in a shouting match with her, over something. I promptly told my MIL that it was time for her to leave, and politely, but firmly escorted her to the door. She was claiming the whole time that she had a right to be here as this was her grandchildren's home etc. I basically told her the same thing, I pay the bills here, and when she started paying them, then she could have a say in how things were done.

Had she refused to leave, tasering her would not have been an option. I would have phoned the authorities, and allowed them to deal with her. This guy definitely over-reacted.

The whole situation caused a slight rift in our relationship (my MIL and mine) for a couple weeks, but she soon realized that I was in the right (as a matter of fact, she respects the fact that I stood up for her daughter), and things have been fine since.

Chris

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Threatened to take the child

Easy to see what boiled his blood.

He didn't deal well with it. Bummer. Wonder what that will do to his 2A rights.

MIL threatened to have the child taken away.

Wow. That would absolutely be her last visit to my house.

Threatening to brutalize a father with the court system is no laughing matter.

Too bad he couldn't think his response through clearly.

He may lose the kid anyway if his wife leaves him over this. Mother gets custody the majority of the time, and a mention of the violence with MIL would probably seal the deal.

This story could turn out okay, but it's quite possible that it will have no winners.

 

[brerrabbit]

I do not see why he was so extreme.

His house, his rules. He asked her to leave, she refused. He provided adequate verbal warning of the consequenses of refusing to leave. When she still failed to comply, he tased her.

Sounds a lot easier on a person than the metal basebal bat I keep.

 

[rustymaggot]

this is a tough one. he gave the old bat warning before he did it. cant fault him there.


without knowing the people involved i just cant make any moral calls on this one.

 

[pacodelahoya]

Arfingreebly, yea, I was wondering when someone was gonna bring up the fact that she threatened him with the weight of our wonderful social/judicial system.

Having gone through a terrible divorce and dealing with the system that looks at the father as Defendant and the mother as a Plaintiff, I mean ***
I certainly would like to get my licks in before I was never allowed to see my kid again. Not that what he did was right by any means, but it amazes me that when some people push other people to the breaking point that they sit there in wonder when the other person snaps..

p.s. I never snapped but I often wondered "what if"

 

[shermacman]

Shouldn't it be:
"Spare the Taser, spoil the Grandma"?

 

[10-Ring]

Maybe Tasing your wife's g'ma may not be the best way to keep matrimonial harmony!

 

[haole_boySS]

It amazes me that in any state it might be illegal to physically escort someone out of your house or off of your property if you gave them adequate notice and warning they were not welcome. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

[Lucky]

Up here there's such a thing as criminal trespass. True, you can't assault (giving her the count-down) or batter (tazer) them for it, but you can detain them until police arrive.

Believe it or not if he'd told her he wanted her to stay put until the police arrived she probably would have been steaming, and then a few minuts later she'd cool off quickly, and begin explaining that she left the roast on and really had to go...

Not that what he did was right by any means, but it amazes me that when some people push other people to the breaking point that they sit there in wonder when the other person snaps..

I never really bought into that. 'breaking point' = you making a choice to use violence. Up here they have an actual legal defence of 'battered spouse syndrome' where a woman can snap and kill her husband if he's been abusive to her, even if the force she uses is disproportionate, or pre-meditated. I think she ought to be able to defend herself from the get-go, but the 'I snapped and was not myself' routine is almost as lame as the 'I was drunk and not myself' routine that they let people use up here.

In theory, either you're accountable for your actions, or you're not and you need a guardian to take responsibility for you 24/7.

Sure, people can 'snap' and make mistakes - we all have - but afterwards you realize they're mistakes, ergo wrong, and that's why laws punish them for it. If it were any other way then they should re-legalize duelling, so hot-heads can do it proper.

 

[MechAg94]

In this day and age, threatening to take his kids away is a legitimate threat.