Ebay stupidity

[drone23]

Were you guys aware that not only will Ebay not allow you to sell items that are banned in facist states such as Cali, but they also will not allow you to sell ANYTHING that is intended to be used with an 'assault weapon' of any type. For example I just had a Colt AR15 scope listed and they removed my auction!?! what a freakin joke.

-D

 

[Yooper]

eBay is desperately in need of serious competition.

 

[charby]

Its called gunbroker.com for competition, I remember when ebay used to list firearms.

I only use Ebay to find parts for my cars, I guess if my cars aren't California emmisons approved might have to elsewhere.

Charby

 

[drone23]

The problem is that Ebay gets multiple times the number of views that Gunbroker gets. If you can find a way to describe your item in such a way on Ebay that it does not sound like an 'assault weapon' accessory and your auction survives, chances are you will get more $ for it than you would have gotten on Gunbroker.

 

[kikilee]

Yes, but the point is why would you help support an organization that is so ainti-gun such as Ebay or PayPal?

 

[ralphie98]

Yes, but the point is why would you help support an organization that is so ainti-gun such as Ebay or PayPal?

In my case, it's because ebay is the only place I can unload some of the crap I have. On occasion I sell some sports cards, and ebay is the only place to do it. Other auction sites have tried and failed to match ebay on site quality and user base. Guns are one of the few area where a competitor could do well, which is why we have gunbroker and auctionarms, etc.

 

[Kramer Krazy]

You can buy a complete black powder pistol or rifle off of eBay.......you just have to win BOTH of the seller's auctions.......usually the barrel is in one auction and the rest of the gun is in the other auction. ........I, also, recall when you could buy complete guns off of eBay. I remember looking at several AR-15 uppers on there......doesn't seem that long ago, though.

 

[kaferhaus]

Ebay and Paypal will never get a penny from me or my family.

Those of us that continue to reward these anti-gun companies for not only restricting lawful commerce but also for funding those that would take our guns away should be ashamed of themselves and in my opinion have no right to complain when the man comes one day to take their guns.... you helped them do it, you're just as much to blame...

 

[Wildalaska]

OK heres the deal, again:

1. Ebays servers are located in Cali.
2. Cali law prohibits assault rifles, stupid as that is.
3. Ebay has no desire to run afoul of Cali b*s*
4. Gun stuff is only a small fraction of their revenue
5. Biz wise, makes more sense to prohibit it all rather than have to deal with problems.

Find me a better place to buy and sell gun parts and I will use it

WildtheydrivemenutsAlaska

 

[kaferhaus]

Wild: you, like everyone else are free to do as you wish.

However, Ebay's policies have nothing to do with where their servers are located. Ebay sells nothing except a service and Ebay logoed merchandise.

It's up to the buyer to be aware of the law in his state, you know that as well as I do.

Ebay and Paypal both fund groups and politicians that favor taking your guns and your livelyhood away from you.

You wanna keep giving them your money because it's convenient, that's your business. But don't try to make excuses like it's somehow not their fault.... that CA. law has something to do with it, because that's just plain bogus.

Some people stand by their words/beliefs with their actions and others don't.

It's the way the world is. But I'm not going to reward the bastards by giving them money.

If a small fraction of the 60 or so million gun owners in this country would just take a small stand with some of these buffoons, things would be different... but we all just sit back and take it..... hell we like it so much we pay em for it...


not me my friend

 

[Wildalaska]

However, Ebay's policies have nothing to do with where their servers are located. Ebay sells nothing except a service and Ebay logoed merchandise.

Concievably, Ebay facitlitating the sale of an AR15 part could be deemed conspiratorial by some numb nuts make a name for hisself person...

Simple dollars and sense, and I dont blame em. Its a pain in the neck, but hey so are a lot of things...


In addition:


Do you watch HBO?

Been to the movies lately>

Own a Taurus?

WildanydifferenceAlaska

 

[dfaugh]

eBay sucks in more ways than that

I've been selling online for 6 years now, was one of the first "eBayers"....I also sell on 6 or 7 other auction sites....And, unfortunately, I sell 50 or 100 times as much stuff on eBay (and at higher prices) than all of the others combined...It stinks, and I have boycotted them for months at a time...but, when I've got merchandise I have to move, I usually have to turn to eBay to move it...

It stinks, its lousy but unfortunately its all but a monopoly....

On the other hand I kinda like the dedicated gun auction sites, anyway (Gunsamerica, Gunbroker, Auction Arms), because they're just that...dedicated....No BS wading through a bunch of overpriced (well sometimes) and mis-represented crap.

 

[71Commander]

I am currently on a 30 suspension for attempting to offer for sale a AR sight tower.

Here is the message that I received telling me of my suspension.

Dear tenntucker ([email protected]),

We regret to inform you that you have been suspended from eBay for a
period of no less than 30 days. Consequently, all of your current
listings have been removed from the Site regardless of whether or not they
violate eBay policy. During this period you will be unable to leave or
receive feedback, bid on or sell items, or file for an Unpaid Item credit.
Should you need to access information from listings which ended before
your suspension period, you can do so by reviewing the notices you
received at the time the auctions ended.

You have been suspended for engaging in activity expressly prohibited
on eBay's Site after receiving prior warning to discontinue such
activity, specifically:

violating our Firearms guidelines.

We have taken this action only after careful consideration of the
history of violations on your account. We have reviewed carefully each
offense that led to this decision and verified that the correct action was
taken.

The history of these violations is as follows:

May-02-04 - Auctions ended, warning sent.
May-13-04 - Auctions ended, warning sent.
May-25-04 - Auctions ended, warning sent.
Nov-09-04 - Auctions ended, warning sent.
Nov-20-04 - Auctions ended, warning sent.
Nov-28-04 - Auctions ended, warning sent.
Jan-21-05 - Auctions ended, warning sent.

While this suspension is active, you are prohibited from registering
under a new account name or using another existing account to use our
system in any way. Any attempt to reregister or use our system in any way
will result in permanent account suspension with no possibility of
reinstatement.

Please note that any seller fees due to eBay will immediately become
due and payable. eBay will charge any amounts you have not previously
disputed to the billing method currently on file.

You are very important to eBay and this period of time will help us to
build a better relationship. We hope you will come away with a better
understanding of our policies.

Thank you for your understanding and cooperation in this matter.

Regards,
eBay Community Watch

 

[DnPRK]

However, Ebay's policies have nothing to do with where their servers are located. Ebay sells nothing except a service and Ebay logoed merchandise.

It's up to the buyer to be aware of the law in his state, you know that as well as I do

As much as I wish it didn't apply, here is the operative text from California Penal Code that eBay must honor:

12280. (a)(1) Any person who, within this state, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, distributes, transports, or imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives or lends any assault weapon or any .50 BMG rifle, except as provided by this chapter, is guilty of a felony, and upon conviction shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for four, six, or eight years

 

[deej]

12280. (a)(1) Any person who, within this state, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, distributes, transports, or imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives or lends any assault weapon or any .50 BMG rifle, except as provided by this chapter, is guilty of a felony, and upon conviction shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for four, six, or eight years

eBay is neither offering nor exposing anything for sale. Additionally, if advertising an item being offered by a third party is equivalent to "offer[ing] or expos[ing] for sale," I wonder why the publishers of Shotgun News, Gun List, Guns and Ammo, and American Handgunner, among others, haven't been enjoined from distributing their products in California. (AH is based in California; I'm sure there are a few others based here as well.)

I would think that eBay is opening themselves up to more liability by being so anal in what they permit to be listed on their site, rather than providing an open market and letting the buyer and seller of a particular item satisfy legal requirements.

Instead, anyone who chooses to use eBay (like, um, me) must deal with this nonsense:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/ia/prohibited_and_restricted_items.html

Too bad there isn't a truly laissez-faire auction/marketplace site with eBay's brand recognition; it would take over the market.

 

[Standing Wolf]

eBay is desperately in need of serious competition.

Bingo! I think E-Bay wants to be the next Microsoft.

 

[wireless]

As much as I agree with the fact that Ebay is being anal (as deej so eloquently put it), it is their business (actually the stockholders') and they have the right to operate it in whatever legal manner that they see fit. I don't think it is illegal to disallow certain items from being sold on their site. All businesses make choices about what they do and do not allow to be sold in their store. The way to change it would be to have a stockholder revolt. Let's all do a group buy on their stock and vote in a new board of directors.

Seriously, the only hope would be for them to take a huge hit in the pocketbook. Unfortunately, the "assault weapon" portion of the ebay user community is probably minute compared to the rest of the users. So, right now Gunbroker is our only alternative. Yes...there are other gun auction sites, but none even come close to Gunbroker with regards to traffic and merchandise listed.

Don't mistake this as a defense of Ebay and their anti-gun policies. This is just a plug for the free-market economy that makes America work.

 

[jefnvk]

eBay is neither offering nor exposing anything for sale

Umm... auction listings sound alot like 'exposing for sale' to me.

I don't blame them. The response that I got back aout this issue was pretty much the same wording. They are overing their asses. If you look at their regulations, they prohibit the selling of fireworks, tobacco or alcohol. How come no one is complaining about this?

I still buy gun parts off eBay. If I absolutely need to buy a gun or assualt weapon part, I'll go to gunbroker. Heck, I'll use gunbroker anywways. But I am not going to stop using ebay for non-firearms related materials, because they are following stupid laws.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/firearms.html

 

[Teknic]

They pulled my rail system and I still can't figure out why??

 

[El Rojo]

You wanna keep giving them your money because it's convenient, that's your business.

I don't give them my money because it is convienent, I give them my money because it is the most cost effective way for me to buy and sell certain items. That's called capitalism.

But I'm not going to reward the bastards by giving them money.

Me neither. I might pay for their services, but last I checked they were a corporation, not a non-profit, so I won't be giving them any money either.

Some people stand by their words/beliefs with their actions and others don't.

I never made the statement that I believe eBay is the devil and they are the number one cause of a loss of gun rights. So when I do business with them, I feel 100% at ease with my decision. If you would rather pay more money to some other "pro-gun" auction service, that is your choice. I doubt you have actually checked their tax-returns and observed how much they actually donate to pro-2nd Amendment causes. Maybe they just do business with gun dealers, but they don't necessarily spend any money supporting 2nd Amendment non-profit organizations. Yet you are willing to spend more of your hard earned money just so you can assume they do?

Me? I am going to save as much money as I can on eBay so I can buy more guns and ammo from individuals and companies who make 2nd Amendment products instead of merely lining the pockets of some pro-gun auction site. I can also use some of that extra money I saved to donate it to the NRA, GOA, or CRPA where it is really going to do some good. I like to make my money go as far as it can and I realize the miniscule fraction of their total profits that I give them isn't going to mean the difference between a new AWB or not.

Pick and choose your battles ladies and gentleman. If you think boycotting eBay is going to stop them from donating to anti-causes or suddenly make them start being more lenient with their gun rules, I got some ocean front property in Kern County to sell you. If you think berating me and anyone else that uses eBay is going to change my mind, I will sell you the mineral rights too.